Will undocumented students studying at universities and colleges in California ever receive the same rights and financial aid as their legal counterparts?
This was the question discussed by a panel Wednesday evening at UC Berkeley’s Free Speech Movement Cafe by three experts who approached the issue — the California DREAM Act, whose second part would grant undocumented students access to public financial aid — from historical, political and cultural angles.
Lisa García Bedolla, associate professor of political studies and Chicano/Latino studies and chair of the campus Center for Latino Policy Research, Aarti Kohli, director of immigration policy at the UC Berkeley School of Law’s Warren Institute on Law and Social Policy and Kevin Escudero, a doctoral student in the Department of Ethnic Studies, presented varying views from their respective fields to provide historical and cultural perspective on the causes and potential effects of the act.
“We created this problem,” Bedolla said. “Immigrants are part of our community, part of our society. They are here because of economic and political structures that are beyond their control and the United States was complicit in.”
The act has two parts, AB 130 and AB 131. AB 130, which was signed into law by Gov. Jerry Brown in July, allowed universities to give private financial aid to undocumented students. AB 131 awaits Brown’s signature and would grant undocumented students access to public financial aid. He has until Oct. 9 to sign the bill into law.
Kohli traced the legislative history of the act to the landmark United States Supreme Court decision Plyler v. Doe, which allowed undocumented children to attend public schools until 12th grade. This set the stage for later state legislation regarding higher education, such as AB 540 — passed 2001, it allows undocumented students who meet certain conditions to pay in-state tuition at a state public higher education institution — and the current DREAM Act, she said.
“(The act) will provide financial support for these students and relieve psychological stress that results when they have to find ways to pay their tuition,” said third year Humberto Ortiz.
Although the act has benefits for a very specific group of undocumented immigrants — the students — Kohli said that it could cast a more negative light on other segments of the undocumented population, including those students’ parents.
“By saying (the students) are worthy, it makes other immigrants unworthy,” she said.
Regardless of the division it could potentially cause in the undocumented community, Kohli said that AB 130’s passage marks a new chapter in the legislative and historical story of illegal immigrants in the United States.
“What California did this year is pretty amazing,” she said. “It’s the leader in the country. The legislature passed AB 130 which Gov. Brown has signed – this is a major step.”
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I don’t understand why some people are so against this bill.
Undocumented students and illegal individuals pay taxes just like every other american citizen yet they do not receive any benefits citizens do. No welfare, healthcare, retirement or anything else.
Legal students can apply for fafsa and cal state plus work study and more scholarships and they are allowed to work. Illegal students can’t do any of those things, even when america is the only hime they know. Basically they put money into the pool that is used to aid legal students yet they get nothing out of it.
I agree that their parents do need to be punished and the border must be closed but there is no reason to exploit these students in this way. They do not get a free education at all and I don’t know where people are getting that idea. The only way they can get aid is through very few scholarships that they compete with legal students and that goes to the most deserving, not necessaarily the undocumented students. If these students have good grades, we should be helping them not preventing them from having a good future. After all they themselves are affected by the economic crisis just like everyone else, not just american citizens.
We’ve got to put this “paying taxes” myth to rest. The only illegal aliens who pay income taxes are those who use fake IDs to get a job. They are committing fraud and identity theft in order to get a paycheck. Those who work for cash don’t pay income taxes. There should be no expectations of refunds for money gained during a crime. When they pay consumption taxes for non-food items then it’s their choice. No one forced them to buy an iPod or cigarettes.
they use their ITIN number, although it is true that they use fakes ss number as that is obviously the only way other than being paid underground.
To benefit from this bill they must prove that the’ve paid their taxes.
$4 billion a year goes to illegal aliens with fake SSNs fraudulently claiming the earned income credit. That is not ”paying taxes”, it’s actually stealing American’s tax money.
Millions of native born Americans leave “the only home they know” to attend college or work in a foreign country where “they don’t know anyone”. It’s a really lame and pathetic excuse to claim illegal aliens are not able to do the same thing. Plus college is free to qualifying citizens of most foreign countries, even if they lived in the US for many years.
Legal foreign students cannot apply for fafsa or cal grant, or get in state tuition, why should law breaking foreign students be given it?
They come for various reasons, among the many reasons are yes economic. But they are in search of a better life style. Unfortunately they find themselves face to face with discrimination. They pick your harvest, package your preheated meals, heat your meals, clean your offices, feed your children, pay more taxes with no guarantee of checking into a social security at a later age. If anyone is to benefit from this that would be the members of this nation. You cannot blame a child for the risks and sacrifices their parents made. Instead you should be ashamed of yourselves. They come here, learn your language and customs and you can’t learn their language. They are people, they have feelings and just like the rest of us they want what is best.
In case you haven’t noticed, the OFFICIAL unemployment rate nationwide is around 9-10%. In the agricultural areas of California, there are cities such as Fresno and Merced with close to 25% unemployment. Sorry, but when this country is approaching near-depression unemployment, the idea that we’re not going to get our crops picked or tables waited is ludicrous. Get a clue…
In a “near depression” circumstance do you believe an employer would higher someone who’s rights can easily be defended or those of the obvious minority who can be underpaid and mistreated.
An article I read a couple of months ago indicated that over one billion people from all over the world would love to come to the US for a better life. Does this mean it makes economic sense to allow everyone to come?
“Unfortunately they find themselves face to face with discrimination”
Guest, you make it sound like they are being held against their will. Illegal aliens came here by choice, no one forced them to come and face this discrimination. They can go back to their country of origin if they choose to.
American embezzers, credit card thiefs, and tax evaders also “find themselves face to face with discrimination”, when apprehended for their crimes, is it OK with you if we stop enforcing those laws also? Or do you think only foreigners should be allowed to break US laws and steal from Americans with impunity?
Yes, they do come to work and we do pay them. That should have been the extent of our financial contract. But if they get hurt we treat them for free in our emergency rooms, and if they are hungry we feed them for free. Why do we owe them a free college education as well?
“they have feelings”
This is not an excuse for violating the laws.
I would have no need for financial aid making $83000 a year. And even if I didn’t make that much, I wouldn’t ask for any aid from the government. I never have and I never will.
there are people who come here for freedom, education, and freedom of education…
These illegal students should have the right to go to college, drive and get finical aid as much as american kids. A big number of american kids fails at school, are on drugs, and clearly do not give two shits about their education then why can’t the hardworking honest illegals have the right?
America is a country of immigrants, you just have to accept that wether you like it or not.
[These illegal students should have the right to go to college, drive and get finical aid as much as american kids.]
Not if their parents broke the law to get here.
[America is a country of immigrants]
Nobody’s trying to deny financial aid to LEGAL immigrants. Come on now, what part of ILLEGAL do you NOT understand?
You know, the parents of those “illegal students” still have to pay taxes. Taxes that pay for YOUR kids to go to school. Taxes that go to the government for roads and construction. Therefore, you can’t say that they are free loading of everyone else. I see many “legal” scums out on the road begging for money….from what I see, these kids will contribute far more and reach greater hights even though they face many obstacles.
( I see many “legal” scums out on the road begging for money)
because their jobs have been stolen by illegal aliens. You should ask them what they did before standing on a street corner.
That’s an awful big assumption to make. Go interview them and I can almost guarantee you that more than half of them are out there because of drugs and alcohol. So yes, you SHOULD ask them and see what they say. If they were to get an education and take advantage of all the money available to students then they would have a FAR better advantage of getting a job than an illegal would. But they’re too lazy and care more about what money will come their way for drugs. I see these kids working their butt of in school and trying to get a degree. A far better use of your time than being out on the streets.
I have talked to them, most of them have a High School education and skills. It seems you are saying that Americans should work for Mexican level wages, and live three families to a house, do the same thing illegal aliens do. Do you work for the US Chamber of Commerce? That is what they support.
Well it seems like a really stupid thing to just leave school if you have all these “skills” and are able to be eligible for all the grants/scholarships and to just throw it away. I’m saying that out of two people, the person with the better job, the more prosporous, and the one seeking to make something of themselves should get the benefit. Illegal or not.
By skills I mean work experience.
If someone has a good job and is prosperous, why do they need additional public benefits? That’s what you are saying.
They don’t NEED additional public benefits. If they’re legal. But these students have no SS# so therefore they can’t get a job. All in all, if people don’t want these “illegal students that are taking peoples jobs” then go to school, get a proper education, and contribute to this country as much as they want to contribute as well.
The best way these illegal aliens can contribute to the USA is to return to their home country, go to college there, then work there to make it a better place so that MORE illegals don’t come. Most of the best new jobs are outside of the USA anyway.
Plus we already have too many Americans and legal immigrants who want to “contrubute” but cannot due to lack of jobs.
Steph, I see many illegal “scums” in gangs, occupying our prisons, committing violent crimes, fraudulently using social security numbers, fraudulently taking advantage of our social services, etc. What do we do with the illegal “scums” who are wasting our taxpayers’ monies?
I agree those should be taken out of the country but this article isn’t saying “lets give illegal gang members money” is it? It’s specifying STUDENTS who have worked hard to get where they are and are going to school to earn respectable degrees.
Umm…sweetie, I am an American and my family came to the states in 1985 LEGALLY, which they work, pay taxes to Uncle Sam every year, bills, etc…You really should not generalize that ALL American kids “fail at school, are on drugs, and clearly do not give two s***s about their education.” I mean, hey, there are some kids that do this sort of crap but don’t you EVER generalize Americans being that way. That is just like saying someone is Mexican so all Mexicans must be illegal (I didn’t want to say it and I do feel bad about saying it as well as just hearing it being said, b/c people’s ignorance irks me).
Of course, I know that there are other illegals in this country from all over the world and not just from ONE country. I love immigrants, getting to know and work with them BUT if they want to pursue their “American Dream,”whatever that may be, they need to either get A) a VISA/Green Card; B) Citizenship (I am aware it is a long and expensive process); or C) Become a Resident Alien in the U.S. (very similar to the perks of being a citizen of America except you cannot vote).
I totally accept and love the fact that America is a country of immigrants but that doesn’t mean that anyone can come over here without paying their dues to society in taxes to maintain the resources (i.e: schools, univsersities/community colleges, DMV, police, ambulance, health, etc…). It is a slap in the face for those who have been in America for generations working, paying Uncle Sam, and or immigrants going through the legalization/naturalization process, which can be a pain but they know it is the legal thing to do in order to not be deported back to where they came from.
I agree what you say when you are directing it at the OLDER generation of illegal immigrants. When they came to this country, they KNEW what they were doing. However, this is concerning our young people. Many of them were brought to this country at a young age and knew nothing about what was going on. You can’t blame them for knowing America as their only home. They need to have a chance to contribute just as much as any other person.
I am FULLY aware that this issue is regarding a younger group. I do have sympathy for those who were brought to this country at a young age that DIDN’T know they were illegal to begin with, it is sad and frustrating. However, when their parents “came to this country, they KNEW what they were doing,” breaking the law but didn’t ask “how can I legalize myself AND my children so we don’t end up getting into federal trouble?” They should of asked themselves that because that’s what parents are supposed to do: be an example! I would be for the Act if there were other components adjusted or community service of some sort would be intact in order for them to have gov’t/state aid. Everyone knowsthat America’s economy just as well as California’s is in terrible shape that it has EVER been. It is not right that they are telling U.S. citizens (younger and older generations who were raised or better yet, fought for our country sacraficing their lives everyday in combat) and legals (as well as those going through the process) “oh, we don’t have any money” and behind our backs our state tells us “oh, we can afford to fund the children of illegals to let them have access to money in order to pay for college.” Unless there is middle ground at all where the both those who were brought here illegally at a young age, those who are in process of legalization and those born in the U.S., as of now, I disagree (and I am usually the Democratic one)
I am sorry, but if one wants to have the education they want and a better life for their family/future family, as well as other ammenties, get legalized. I know that Mexico, for example (this is the only one I can come up with b/c my mother has lived there and told me of this), if one lives there illegally, regardless if you knew it or not, you get NOTHING (education, financial aid, a roof over your head, etc…)
I am sure you wouldn’t want me to take your house and keep it too without you in it, right? However, it is quite interesting of the different perspectives people have regarding this issue. I really really do have sympathy but if there is an Act everyone can agree on then bonus points to all of us. :)
I completly agree that they should get legalized and that is what they would want to. However, immigration reform has been a very controversial issue for several years. Before we focus on the older generation of illegals, we should focus on the young ones. U.S citizens are NOT the only ones that serve in the military. There are many illegals serving for our country and fighting for a land that they were not born in. If that doesn’t show dedication and loyalty, I don’t know what does.
Set aside all the legalistic values and look at the emotional ties. Many of these kids are here looking to make themselves something in life and looking for a way to contribute to this country no matter what obstacles are in their way. If many of these kids didn’t care they would’ve stopped trying after high school graduation but that’s not the case.
I hope that we can soon come to an agreement even though sometimes it may not benefit everyone. We all have to make sacrifices. These kids have ideas and the brain power to move this country forward.
Let’s look at the emotional ties. The parents of these illegal aliens were already happy that they’ve brought their children into a better country. 15 years ago there was no Dream Act and those parents just assumed their kids will one day find a job with a fake Social Security card or marry an American for citizenship. Now along comes a chance for amnesty, so the suddenly their kids are “deprived” of some obscure human right for college aid? These kids are lucky to be in the USA, in a college at all. Our country doesn’t owe them anything.
Who said that we owe them anything? THEY owe US for being able to attend a college and be able to have a good education. Therefor, why not let them go all the way? All the high paying jobs they would have would invest in this country and the taxes they would have to pay. All they want is to be able to work and contribute. So let’s let them and while they’re at it, they can pay us back for all America has offered them. Both sides win.
We already let them go all the way by accepting them into U.C. but they must pay for it. California citizens don’t have enough financial aid for college so why share it with those who already owe us for their secondary education? If they get high paying jobs later, it’s at the expense of our children’s future jobs.
In regards with illegals in the military: “The federal government cannot petition on behalf of an illegal immigrant so
that they can obtain legal status and be able to enlist in the military. In
order for an immigrant to join the United States military, they must first go
through the immigration process of the USCIS
(previously known as the INS) and then and then begin the enlisting process.
Another requirement is that the Green Card and/or
visa if the immigrant desiring to join the military must be valid for the entire
period of their enlistment. Being a U.S.
citizen or legal immigrant of the United States is only one of the basic
requirements to join the U.S. military. “ http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/military.html
For those serving our country illegally, should they get citizenship? Sure, I mean, I wouldn’t know what dedication is if they shouldn’t, but our gov’t doesn’t do that as stated above. However, I know these kiddos have ideas, brain-power and innovation to move our country forward but it still doesn’t give them the right to automatically have legalization. That part, the younger illegals need to make that choice for themselves to earn it and get the help to do so. In law, you can’t set aside legalistics and base it on emotion. It stinks but if you are a lawyer (I never want to be one), you have to put your personal judgements of a person/stigmas you feel is a murderer that you are representing aside or else your case is biased. I have known people who been here illegally but doesn’t mean that I 1) have to agree with them (though I am very willing to listen/read on both sides);and 2) as a voter, before any ballot intiative gets a check from me, I think about the realities of our state/country and whether or not we can make it work. That’s where my logic in all of this comes from. We all gotta make sacrafices but on a legal’s/citizen’s standpoint, some may feel that they don’t have to sacrafice much, if not, anything. The U.S. is having trouble with that in D.C. coming down to Democrats and Republicans…In a way, I feel that CA has sacraficed its quality of an UC education and education itself overall feeling the pain of sacrafice.
Like I said before, Dream Act Bill, innovative and a good deal but needs to be improved without slapping the faces of legals who went through the process as well as Americans who’ve been here for generations working hard/serving in military, for some/taxes (under their name)/etc…
In accordance with you. It is my firm belief that in this country we need more educated citizens. Birth rights are privileges gone to waste, if you want to be an American prove it. You should not be able to participate in this nation until you prove yourself worthy of it. Some of us have to learn what it means to work and make sacrifices for a living.
Would you consider voting rights to be a birth right?
Do you think I have the right to take your car and keep it? What illegal aliens do is no different.
Great analogy! The illegal aliens take our cars, drive it around, and then ask us for gas money because it’s so unfair to let them drive our cars without giving them free gas.
PASS MANDATORY E-VERIFY.
The American worker, families and
communities face a common problem today. It’s estimated between 13 and 20
million plus currently has settled and work in our nation unlawfully. The majorities
are–ECONOMIC–and don’t pay local, state, Federal taxes and yet demand
privileges meant for US citizens and legal residents, placing a massive yoke
around government welfare and bleed this recessions sources of revenue.
These illegal offenders, who come
here illegally, leave no paper trail of foreign criminal convictions. Most have
families, many legal that hide their relations in plain sight. They bring their
children or birth them here attending public schools by law, adding to
overcrowded classrooms and diverting scarce education money. Time is not on America’s
side, as the borders remain porous and hundreds of miles of ancient barbed wire
fences, open lake areas, rivers–which the US Agents thinly roam trying to
courageously stop drug cartels, criminal cargo and the endless tracks of foreign
nationals.
I don’t think any American is opposed
to legal immigration, As all of us, one time or the other came across the
Atlantic or crossed borders. But illegal immigrant invaders are something
entirely wrong, that treads on our “rule of law” and the prime
directives of the U.S. Constitution. America is a nation of laws, which we
abide by. Illegal aliens want all the rights of the legal population, but
scorn our laws and then have the audacity to demonstrate in our streets.
This is just not right, with most ignoring our people’s common bond to respect
our laws. They do neither! Unlike the 19th century immigrants they come here
expecting to be monetary taken care of, wish not to learn our language or to
assimilate into American society.
However, the open border tyranny has
a different agenda. The Obama government has used executive directives, making
it possible for illegal aliens to settle in this nation. Last month President
Obama issued an executive order to bypass the Congress, establishing new ICE
priorities relating to deportations. This event has led an easier path for
illegal nationals to remain in this country, being able to apply for a work permit.
Even though the American public and refusal of Congress to approve of any
new amnesty, the administration has created a back door entry for these people.
Many honest lawmakers signed a
letter to President Obama and executive members of the staff, protesting this
action. In other words this Administration has stonewalled the Congress, which
is the only avenue that an amnesty may be passed into law.
A mandatory E-Verify vote is coming
up for a vote this week and every American is frustrated and irate about
Obama’s executive order should contact his representative in Washington
insisting they pass Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas “The Legal Workforce
Act” (H.R. 2885). This is about saving jobs for working Americans, being
stolen by illegal alien labor.
In her opening statement on yesterday, Rep. Linda Sanchez described E-Verify
as broken.
“The system is riddled with errors and doesn’t work. It doesn’t flag
the workers it’s supposed to flag, and it snags too many citizens and legal
workers in its net. The job market is tough enough. It makes no sense for
Congress to pass a law that makes it more difficult for legal workers to find
work.”
Why are the pro-amnesty groups so scared of
Chairman Smith’s bill? Because they know it would take away any leverage they
have for passing a mass amnesty, and more importantly, it would
successfully remove illegal aliens from the workforce.
Further there is the HALT Act
(Hinder the Administration’s Legalization Temptation) bill. This bill would
prevent USCIS (United States Customs and Immigration Services) and ICE from
granting parole for illegal aliens who are convicted of a crime and other actions,
including reversing the administration’s recent executive directive authorizing
the cancellation of the removal of illegal aliens from our country. The simple
explanation of the “HALT” act is to stop the present government from
circumventing the Congress on deportation and other immigration laws, so ICE
can carry out their duties.
If the people of America wish to
change the 1986 Immigration Control and Reform Act, so be it–with their votes.
But the laws were regulated to place detainers on illegal aliens and then
deport them, for violating the United States laws. Only President Obama has ignored
Congress and changed our laws by fiat. Showing complete indifference to our
laws and living inside state borders, has gone too far. Even worse are the
oaths our president, his men and women sworn to protect us from enemies
domestic and foreign have chosen to ignore the American people’s voices.
Before Obama and back three decades,
the US government has overreached their empowerment, as we have witnessed in
courts as activist judges have followed their own agendas. Immigration is no
longer a lesser of issues, as it has influenced both the jobs of thousands of
US workers and this economy. The “HALT” act, E-Verify, 287 G and
“Secure Communities” are the sane way, for the illegal aliens to begin an
exodus from this country. Another sure system is for the government to issue
every American with an official ID. These policing laws would eventually make
it near impossible, for illegal aliens to stay here, without fear of detection.
As Americans you should expect
nothing more or less, from any politician. If the Liberals, Democrats or even
the Republicans will not enforce Immigration laws, it’s for sure TEA PARTY
leaders will.
If you suspect that competition is
using an illegal workforce, contact the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)’s
Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) division at 1-866-DHS-2ICE
(866-347-2423)according to one of our members who spoke with an ICE agent,
“the mere ‘suspicion’ that a company’s employees are illegal aliens is all
that is necessary to make the call to commence an investigation.” He
added, “Law enforcement organizations cannot, and do not, expect the
public to be experts in determining whether someone is committing a crime, so
they provide a safe harbor approach to informing.” Whistle Blowers
are very welcome who see irregularities at their workplace. Much evidence is
available at NumbersUSA, less available news stories at American Patrol and the
corruption spawned in our government at Judicial Watch. Otherwise call your
local Representative, insisting they vote for Rep. Lamar Smith’s Judiciary
Committee, who can be reached through the Washington Switchboard at 202-224-3121
to make E-Verify a mandatory law for work, to save US jobs from illegal alien
competition.
TELL YOUR SENATOR, THEY MIGHT HAVE
THE POWER—BUT YOU HAVE THE VOTE? YOU MIGHT ALSO ASK THEM, WHY ILLEGAL ENTRY IS
NOT A FELONY?
You are far from being a lone voice
on the issue of illegal immigration. The TEA PARTY is the massive impetus that
will resolve this problem that is feeding off the US taxpayer. The TEA PARTY is
just average Americans, out to protect their interests, unlike the current
government who are out to pacify illegal foreigners. The governments seem to condone illegal
activities, as did the previous administration as a reward for business owners.
The TEA PARTY will enforce the 1986 Immigration law, with no Path to
Citizenship, No Amnesty, No Dream Act and no Sanctuary city or State policies.
The front door or you will be deported or imprisoned.
ATTN: CALL YOU SENATOR AND HOUSE
CONGRESSMAN, TO DUMP THE PRESENT UNFAIR TAX CODE AND PLUG ALL THE LOOPHOLES FOR
THE RICH, BIG OIL AND INSIST EVERYBODY PAYS. NO EXCEPTIONS!
Every qualified California
student should get a place in University
of California system.
That’s a desirable goal for a public university. However, UC Berkeley
Chancellor Robert Birgeneau displaces qualified Californians with $50,600
tuition Foreigners.
UC tuition increases exceed the national average rate
of increase. The University of California Board of Regents jeopardizes
Californians attending higher education by making UC the most expensive public
university in the United
States.
Self-serving tuition increases are used by UC President Mark Yudof
to increase the pay of 80,000 eligible faculty and others. Payoffs like these
point to higher operating costs and still higher tuition for Californians.
I agree that
faculty in higher education and senior management, like Yudof and Birgeneau,
should consider the students’ welfare and put it high on their values.
Deeds
unfortunately do not bear out the students’ welfare values of senior management
and the UC Board of Regents.
Opinions to UC
Board of Regents, email
[email protected]
University of California Berkeley Chancellor Birgeneau displaces Californians from Cal in favor of legal Foreigners.
Cal Chancellor Birgeneau displaces qualified for public university at Cal Californians for $50.600 FOREIGN students.
UC regents Chair Lansing agrees the displacement of Californians from Cal.
opinions to uc board of regents [email protected]
I don’t know why a foreign parent would wait until their child is 18 and pay $50,000 a year, when they could send their child here at age 15 and pay nothing! Once the parents find out about this I think UC can kiss that money goodby.
University of California
Berkeley (Cal) picks the pockets of Californian students and their
parents clean. UC Berkeley shouldn’t come to the Governor or public for support.
(The author has 35 years’ consulting experience, has taught at Cal where he observed
the culture, way senior management work)
University of California Berkeley Chancellor Birgeneau ($500,000 salary)
has forgotten that he is a public servant, steward of the public money, not
overseer of his own fiefdom. These are not isolated examples: Cal tuition, fee
increases exceed national average rate of increase; recruits (using California
tax $) out of state $50,600 students who displace qualified Californians from Cal;
spends $7,000,000 + for consultants to do his senior management work (prominent East Coast university
accomplishing same 0 cost); pays ex Michigan governor $300,000 for
lectures; in procuring $3,000,000 consulting
firm he failed to receive proposals from others; Latino enrollment drops
while out of state jumps 2010 (M Krupnick Contra Costa Times); ranked # 70 USA
best universities Forbes; tuition to Return on Investment drops below top 10; QS
academic ranking falls below top 10; only 50 attend Birgeneau all employees
meeting; visits down 20%; absence Cal. senior management control NCAA places basketball
program on probation.
It’s all shameful. There is no justification for violations by
a steward of the public trust. Absolutely none.
Governor Brown, UC Board of Regents Chair Lansing must vigorously
enforce stringent oversight over Chancellor Birgeneau who uses Cal. as his fiefdom.
Email opinion to [email protected]
“Aarti Kohli, director of immigration policy at the UC Berkeley School of Law”
That’s the biggest oxymoron ever! A director at the School of Law promoting massive law breaking!! I think Cal should change the name to “School of Anarchy”.
“Will undocumented students studying at universities and colleges in California ever receive the same rights and financial aid as their legal counterparts?”
Actually they already receive the same rights, and more financial aid than their legal counterparts, who are lawful foreign students. So the question should be, when will legal foreign students studying in California receive the same rights and financial aid as their illegal counterparts? Hopefully me and other Californians will correct this injustice soon.
I think the Cal Dream act is great, a friend and I plan to start advertising in China and Taiwan that we can provide room and board for foreign students who want to come to the US at age 15 so they can get a free UC education. Their parents will save over $100,000, and we will make even more than that every year.
USAmerican100,
You forgot to include advertising in India. Not only will they receive a free UC education, they will get free healthcare, subsidized housing, welfare, etc. all at the CA taxpayers’ expense. Where else in this world could illegal aliens receive such a deal !
Good point, also we should advertise in the Philippines, Vietnam, Eastern Europe, etc. Even more room and board money for us!
yeah, we (legal residents/us citizens) should help them advertise this great law since it is way too great for the nation.
why so much hate?
What are you babbling on about? No hate here, only love.
“Hate” must be the new PC double-speak word for disagreeing with the party line. You so-called “progressives” are getting more and more Orwellian every day…
“They are here because of economic and political structures that are beyond their control”
And therefore they’re entitled to a free college education that citizens are not?
[Will undocumented students studying at universities and colleges in
California ever receive the same rights and financial aid as their legal
counterparts?]
Why should they, when they are here illegally?
You should keep in mind that many of this youg people were brought to this country at a very young age. They had no say in it and America is the only home they know. These young people are as very much American as you are.
Except I am here legally and they are not! It is unfortunate that these young people were brought here illegally by their parents; however, it doesn’t negate the fact that tehy are here illegally. We should focus more on how to make people like in your example legal citizens instead of granting free money to illegals. The Dream Act would also provide money to the illegal who wasn’t brought here at an early age as well, doesn’t it?
People keep blaming the parents but let’s focus on the children alone. They know Americas history, language and customs. They can pass the Americas traditions to THEIR children one day. As for the Dream Act, it doesn’t allow just ANYONE to get money. They must’ve arrived to the U.S no later than turning 15 years of age so they had to be brought here as kids.
Sounds like they would be great assets to their home country, much more so than here. Especially since the best new jobs are outside of the USA, and those who know English and American culture are highly sought after.
So therefore we should send our brightest minds to other countries and make OTHER countries better? If what you wanted were to happen then this country will go down the drains in no time.
Illegal aliens are not our “brightest minds”, foreign brightest minds can easily immigrate legally, in fact I personally know a few of them here in the USA.
You can’t just focus on the children alone because they are not U.S. citizens according to our constitution. There are probably 5 million high school students in China who know more American history and English grammar than the Dream Act students, so why not give them free money and American citizenship too?
“There are probably 5 million high school students in China who know more American history and English grammar than the Dream Act students”
I can verify this is true, I have travelled to China a number of times (my wife and adopted daughter are Chinese). These Chinese kids always want to talk to me to learn better English and more about America.
No one blames the children. However, realize that going to college is not a fundamental human right as defined by God, Odin, Shiva, or the U.N. and public financial aid packages for U.C. is not an entitlement, so those students should ask their parents to explain how they envisioned their children one day making a living as they snuck their families into the U.S.
Well if that’s the case 100 million young adults around the world are as American as you. They have had as much exposure to American culture as these illegal aliens have. When will you lobby to give them in state tuition and public scholarships?
When your parents left Mexico, it was the only home they knew. So what? When a child is taken illegally to a foreign country, he should be repatriated.
fuck you
I consider that every shudent from didffent country have equal right enjoy uc’s policy.
I sure hope you’re not a UC student, as I can’t imagine that you even passed the English proficiency test. In any case, does every student in the world have the right to enjoy free education at the expense of your home country and its people? Somehow I don’t think so…
Do you consider that Vietnamese, Russians, and Indians should have the right to ignore China’s immigration laws, and be rewarded with a free university education as a result?
Students from different countries have the right to enjoy U.C.’s education as long as they produce documentation showing they have a student visa, have been accepted by U.C., and have paid student fees. But wait, while you were standing in line to get your visa an illegal alien jumped in line ahead of you, got accepted with much lower test scores, will pay one fifth as much tuition as you will pay, and also will apply for financial aid that is not available to you. How do you feel now?
University
of California Berkeley Chancellor Birgeneau
($500,000 salary) displaces qualified for public university at Cal Californians
with $50,600 FOREIGN students
Public University of California
Berkeley is not
increasing enrollment. $50,600 FOREIGN students at UC Berkeley are getting into
Cal at the
expense of instate students.
Yours is the opinion that can make the difference email UC
Board of Regents [email protected]
Answer: Pretty fukin stupid.
Q: Will undocumented students studying at universities and colleges in
California ever receive the same rights and financial aid as their legal
counterparts?
A: No, without documentation a person cannot receive the same rights and services as a legally admitted student. Documentation is everything. If I didn’t sign up for Econ 101A and didn’t pay my tuition I don’t expect to sneak in halfway during the semester and then take the class for credit.
Looks like they can in California. Thanks to Jerry Brown. Mexifornia is well, on its way.
your ignorant, both of you. Well the question and answer is correct, but hopefully that will change soon. It’s not “Mexifornia”, more like what we are today, A UNITED DIVERSED STATE, its not just mexicans that want and need the dream act to pass. If you paid attention to the video, Asians are a huge factor in this as well. Pay attention.
Asians are not a huge factor yet but soon will be, in the millions. Prepare yourself for the worlds first multinational state where no nationality is a majority, where everyone is considered a “world citizen”. With all of it controlled by the One World Government Bankers/Bilderbergers of course.
And it’s not just Anglos that are against the Dream Act. Many legal immigrants of all colors are against illegal aliens cutting in line.
“your ignorant”
That tells me all I need to know about you. How about dropping one of your La Raza Studies classes next semester and taking an ESL class instead?
Panel of Experts:
Are they in Cali legally?
NO
Then they are ILLEGAL ALIENS so GTF out.
No further questions?
Out.