Occupy Cal protesters continued organizing their movement Friday, voting at a general assembly to not establish an encampment on Sproul Plaza until the evening of Nov. 15.
Dubbed “Open University” by a consensus vote of the general assembly, Tuesday’s protest will also mark a statewide strike in which protesters and community members from other northern California campuses will be invited to convene at UC Berkeley in support of reforming the state’s higher-education system.
The general assembly also voted on a proposal for how to conduct the Tuesday strike. The plan includes a mass conversion on Sproul Plaza at noon, a 2 p.m. rally with speakers on violence, a march after the rally and a 5 p.m. mass general assembly.
Having a large number of people at the day’s events and subsequent encampment will help “mobilize people for the regents meeting” scheduled for the day after, said a protester at the meeting.
The protester added that any violent clashes with police, like what happened Wednesday, “will be beneficial to our cause.”
After the encampment vote, the general assembly continued debating the larger message of the campus’ occupy movement and whether teach-outs scheduled for noon on Tuesday should include discussions of recent and potential tuition increases and the decrease in state funding for the UC system.
But a protester raised concern that using direct action like a strike against the cuts would end a dialogue about tuition increases and just encourage protesters to “use direct action for the sake of direct action.”
After discussion of whether the protesters should continue a commitment to nonviolence, the general assembly passed a proposal saying it is “not a good strategy to use physical violence to stop vandalism.”
A dissenting protester said it is not a good strategy to not allow people to come between those who are vandalizing.
Afsana Afzal of The Daily Californian contributed to this report.
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There will always be voices within a movement that see violence as strategically positive. The only way to combat extremism is to show up and occupy moderate ground. I will be there to be a voice of non-violence. Don’t let the voices of a few drive you away – make nonviolence the 99%. It’s possible, but you have to SHOW UP!
Actions speak louder then words, drinking your way out of problems will not help, and I will make this short. Wake up!
They held their meeting indoors due to rain to decide whether to set up tents next week. Were they waiting for a clear weather report?
I am hoping that what I say makes sense to someone, and they will
start writing and treating this “occupy movement” with the respect it
is going to earn. Did you see where Israel had a demonstration of
500,000 people demanding concessions from their government? It worked.
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/04/israel-protests-social-justice
)Listen to Martin Luther King, his words are as meaningful today as
they were then. This struggle for economic justice and government
control, will be won by the people! (It is very old..).
I feel
the occupy movement does have a basic underlying message; Stop letting
money decide political elections; And regulate corporate lobbying (and
all lobbying) making it a public forum. Right now lobbying is mostly two
old white guys sitting across from each other in an office. “They”
have probably worked with each other or went to the same school; And
“they” have promised you a job when you get out of politics, — tripling
your present salary!. The “lobbyist” used to be a “politician”, it
worked for him!. Who owns who? – That’s a “Person-hood”.
My friend and I put on a protest in Olympia for World Can’t Wait Oct. 5, 2006 at the capitol. Here are some photos…
http://www.creativeflashes.com/Politics/World-Cant-Wait-Oct-5th-2006/1971747_r54FkC/1/100377072#100377079_npPWj
I also coordinated and promoted a protest in Bellevue when Bush was there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hzh3OtBgNI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPoWphQhdm0&NR=1
Happy
to say both worked out without arrest, injury or property damage! I
worked with the Washington State Patrol in Olympia, and Bellevue Police
beforehand, and we pretty much understood the rules of engagement.
Medina police were not good partners..
I lived in the
Glenn Hotel in downtown Seattle when the WTO protests happened. It
happened at my front door. I was a part of it, promoting it, and
involved in it. There is something going on, and I am going to be a part
of it again. I have helped organize and promote protests in Bellevue,
Olympia, and Seattle Washington; another big one is coming. I feel it
will be a “WTO” sized protest in multiple cities.
“I” was
at the WTO protests in Seattle Washington, (with thousands of “other”
really awesome “people”, and a few “freaks”) when a bunch of
“anarchists” started busting windows with crowbars. We surrounded them,
and they got in a circle with their crowbars. I tried to get the
“Seattle police” to come arrest “these anarchists”, that were only
fifty feet away and threatening violence and breaking windows… The
“Seattle police” would not budge from their “police line”, making all of
“us” the “enemy”…. (There were thousands of “union” and “other”
people sitting and standing in the street, – it was a relativly peaceful
protest until the windows started breaking…). ” I” am not the “enemy”.
I will be in Seattle at 700 Stewart street at the Federal
courthouse January 20th, 2012!!! I know we can do this better than
last time.
The Corporate Occupation of the United States
Our corporate controlled government (through corporate lobbying and
election funding ) is out of the peoples control. People want government
control back. Makes sense to me… I feel US corporate capitalism
(corporatism) is a type of economic fascism: To have a corporate being
where the chain of command eventually muddles all responsibility to any
human being. These corporate beings are running your life, and
controlling your government. (Enough to really make an individual mad
and protest.) In reality, the corporate being does not exist, and when
it comes to face it’s corporate responsibility, it is a piece of paper.
(Or a CEO saying; “I do not recall that”, “I did not have that
information”, “that was not my responsibility, I was running the
company, and not just that department”,,, and on and on. It has bred a
corporate culture of abuse, because they keep getting away with it..),
Corporate person-hood is plain and simply wrong: A corporation is not a
human being. Restore capitalism to individual responsible chains of
command, or this struggle will be lost.
Please Sign the petition to amend the Constitution for revoking corporate personhood at:
movetoamend.org
(I
feel January 20th, 2012: will be a bigger day in US history than WTO in
Seattle. The battle continues, rage against the machine is real.)
January 20, 2012 – Move to Amend Occupies the Courts!
Move
To Amend is planning bold action to mark this date — Occupy the Courts —
a one day occupation on Friday January 20, 2012, of the Federal Courts,
including the Supreme Court of the United States and as many of the 89
U.S. District Court Buildings as we can. (I am inspired by Doctor
Martin Luther King who said; “a true revolution of values”, … “there
comes a time when silence is betrayal”., “people are not gonna be
silenced”.). Move to Amend will lead the charge on the judiciary which
created — and continues to expand — corporate personhood rights.
http://open.salon.com/blog/kennspace/2011/10/28/corporate_occupation_of_the_united_states_1
If you attended the general assembly meetings or witnessed the protests, you would know that the overwhelming majority of those protesting massive tuition increases believe in nonviolent civil disobedience to achieve their cause. They have demonstrated nonviolence in their protests, receiving police brutality while refraining from striking back. In large movements such as this, there are always a few who just want to incite violence, but this is not an accurate portrayal of the movement as a whole.
I give the protesters a down-twinkles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaVvzTyMcls
The Daily Californian, our campus’ supposedly independent student newspaper, is engaged in a smear campaign against those who participate in the movement against the privatization of this university, and against the police violence that the administration and the UC Regents rely on to make it possible.The worst of these smear articles appeared Friday, when Amruta Trivedi wrote a report of what happened at that day’s General Assembly. Her reportage, if it can be called that, violated many ethical commitments that journalists reporting on movements should adhere to.First, her reportage is false. No student said that “violent clashes with police, like what happened Wednesday” would beneficial to the movement. This is an impossible statement because we know that there were no “violent clashes with police,” a phrase that Amruta and the Daily Cal are committed to using to describe the events of Wednesday, ever occurred. We know that, unprovoked, the police hit, beat, brutalized and arrested hundreds of students, faculty, staff and community members. Thus, there were no “clashes” to speak of.People in the movement do not want police brutality, and it is one of the things we organize against because it enables the privatization of the university by restricting, intimidating, and brutalizing those who believe another university is possible and are willing to take action to make it a reality. Some people do believe, and evidence on Wednesday supports this, that if the police continue to conduct themselves like they did on Wednesday it will just make us stronger. This is not because of any staging, as Amruta implies in her article, but because students, faculty, and workers are disgusted by the way that UCPD and other agencies called on campus conduct themselves toward people exercising their right to politically organize and assemble. This is much different that the account that Amruta paints in her article.Second, her quotes are completely out of context. The General Assembly had a long, drawn out, and nuanced discussion about all of the decision that we made. In regards to “property destruction” we talked about how, and almost all agreed, it was not a useful strategy for people, in the movement or otherwise, to engage during the strike. However, we also deliberated on and decided that using physical violence to harm anyone who go against these wishes is not constructive either.Third, she did not announce herself to the group. She has likely been around long enough to know that sometimes General Assemblies reserve their right to hold their meetings without media presence, or specifically without the Daily Cal present. When this happens, Daily Cal reporters often look puzzled. Why in the world would people involved in a movement not want us around? Now you know.Finally, Amruta likes to pick out quotes from participants in the General Assembly, but only if she thinks those quotes will paint the movement in a negative light. Given the mass nature of the General Assembly, we must ask: who cares what one person says when each decision must be voted on and approved by 80% consensus?To the editors of the Daily Cal, we ask that you have better, fairer reporting on the movement on campus.To the greater Cal community, the only way for you to know what is true is for you to join the movement. Join us for the November 15th strike and open university.
First of all, THIS IS THE MEDIA!!!! Do you believe every word you read verbatim on the internet!? You are college students, be smarter than that. Especially you, “what’s new” have you talked with anyone who got beaten on Wednesday? Do you think they want a repeat of that? If you are going to take everything you read or see from the media at face value without investigating the who situation, you and the douch bag below you are “the lowest form of [ignorant] scum”.
What that person meant is that the police did themselves a huge disservice by committing these actions in broad daylight, in front of hundreds of cameras and SENT PEOPLE TO THE HOSPITAL! They “benefited our cause” by exposing themselves and the administration for the fascists they really are.
I was at the GA and this article is complete garbage. This reporter must be getting ready for a career as a terrible fox news reporter.
Tony, in the end, nearly every comment you make is reduced to simple slander. If anyone makes a valid point – like, oh, say, Rico or Culo, they are simply children living out fantasies of revolution or little girls or left wing liberals spouting nonsense. There is nothing substantial whatsoever in your responses. And as for those who say the protesters are just ‘whining’ – plenty of people were led away calmly while getting arrested, including some faculty. They were linked arms and waiting to be arrested, and instead were beat with batons.
I agree, the Occupy movement is not perfect. But there IS something wrong with the system, and there is something wrong with tuition doubling in 8 years and a proposal to have it increase another 81% in 4. The tent is a symbol of the poverty of the system, the people, the mass foreclosures occurring, and it is a historical symbol of protest. Berkeley is supposedly an institution that prides itself on its activist and freethinking spirit, but the administration seems intent on stifling that by whatever means possible. The protesters do not WANT violence, but they have been made aware that the administration DOES and will not hesitate to inflict violence in order to get its way. So the protesters have turned something they have NO control over – the administration controls the police – into a positive, telling administration that the violence will NOT stop them and if violence is used against them they will use that to their advantage for publicity so the world is made aware – nowhere do they state that they will BE violent or encourage violence. And as for not stopping those who are vandalizing with physical violence – isn’t that what the police are there for? Don’t they have the means to do it peacably and with an arrest instead of physically being stopped by other students?Also, I think it’s funny how the article fails to mention that there was not a SINGLE violent act by the students, not even in retaliation. Not one. Nor was there an act of vandalism or graffiti. One fire alarm was pulled, but one out of approximately 3000+ people is not too shabby, especially in light of the provocation received by police.
And before you slander me – I am not a liberal. I am not a hippie. I am a woman, but I am not a little girl. I think less government is far preferable to more government, and I agree with your statements about awareness on how the spending on affirmative action, etc., has a detrimental effect on the budget as well.
But in the end…you’re missing the point, and insulting people because you have nothing substantial to say in response is the lowest and most ignorant form of argument.
Tony, in the end, nearly every comment you make is reduced to simple slander. If anyone makes a valid point – like, oh, say, Rico or Culo, they are simply children living out fantasies of revolution or little girls or left wing liberals spouting nonsense. There is nothing substantial whatsoever in your responses. And as for those who say the protesters are just ‘whining’ – plenty of people were led away calmly while getting arrested, including some faculty. They were linked arms and waiting to be arrested, and instead were beat with batons.
I agree, the Occupy movement is not perfect. But there IS something wrong with the system, and there is something wrong with tuition doubling in 8 years and a proposal to have it increase another 81% in 4. The tent is a symbol of the poverty of the system, the people, the mass foreclosures occurring, and it is a historical symbol of nonviolent protest. Berkeley is supposedly an institution that prides itself on its activist spirit, but the administration seems intent on stifling that by whatever means possible. The protesters do not WANT violence, but they have been made aware that the administration DOES and will not hesitate to inflict violence in order to get its way. So the protesters have turned something they have NO control over – the administration controls the police – into a positive, telling administration that the violence will NOT stop them and if violence is used against them they will use that to their advantage for publicity so the world is made aware – nowhere do they state that they will BE violent or encourage violence, just that they will make violence be known – and how is the world being made aware of what is happening wrong? And as for not stopping those who are vandalizing with physical violence – isn’t that what the police are there for? Don’t they have the means to do it peacably and with an arrest instead of physically being stopped by other students?Also, I think it’s funny how the article fails to mention that there was not a SINGLE violent act by the students, not even in retaliation. Not one. Nor was there an act of vandalism or graffiti. One fire alarm was pulled, but one out of approximately 3000+ people is not too shabby, especially in light of the provocation received by police. And for those who say one is too many, humanity is obviously not a perfect race, and protests do not have the magical ability to control who shows up.
And before you slander me – I am not a liberal. I am not a hippie. I am a woman, but I am not a little girl. I think less government is far preferable to more government, and I agree with your statements about awareness on how the spending on afl
But in the end…you’re missing the point, and insulting people because you have nothing substantial to say in response is the lowest and most ignorant form of argument.
[Tony, in the end, nearly every comment you make is reduced to simple
slander. If anyone makes a valid point - like, oh, say, Rico or Culo,
they are simply children living out fantasies of revolution or little
girls or left wing liberals spouting nonsense.]
Where did they make valid points?
[IS something wrong with the system, and there is something wrong with tuition doubling in 8 years and a proposal to have it increase another 81% in 4.]
Yet the OWS refuse to look at the real problem – expanding government playing favorites in the business sector and spending us into a financial crisis. How many of those idiots out there screaming about how corporations were bailed out with taxpayers money opposed the bailouts in the first place. I opposed both the Bush and Obama bailouts. So did the Tea Party people – the same ones you oh-so-intellectual “progressives” have smeared and ridiculed for two years now. So where was the voice of all you people who are only NOW all worked up and teary eyed now that your tuitions are being raised? You are just as much hypocrites as the Vietnam-era anti-war protesters whose concern about Southeast Asia ended the day the draft was discontinued in 1972. It’s only a burning issue when it affects your carefree partying in college, right?
haha… Tony don’t get angry, please?
Again with the slander? You make comments about me without knowing me. I dont party, and I believe in what the Libertarians do and the Tea Party. Where did i slander them? In the end its a fight against corruption on multiple levels – different methods, but going for the same goal. You are saying that because some people came late, they dont have a valid reason? What elitist nonsense is that? its a burning issue because I think the public university is worth saving for the future.
Your refusal to look beyond the surface is really astounding, and the hypocrisy in you being upset about ows for slander when thats all you do here is not lost on me.
We need “ACTION THAT MAKES SENSE.” And rioting doesn’t. We
want to change our country, not destroy it in the process. Most
Americans will shy away from the rallies, marches and sit-ins as they
tend to turn into violence and don’t achieve the desired results. If we
want to get the maximum amount of people involved for the maximum
results, then petitions, recalls, impeachment, our voting power and
boycotting with our dollars of certain businesses are much more
effective means and have more of an impact and possibility for change. In MY OPINION, the “Occupy” protesters have their valuable time and
energy misdirected. If nothing else, be sure to vote and take out the garbage while in your voting booth.
We probably have a few disagreements on specifics, but your point here is valid and reasoned. Unfortunately, most of the children here prefer to act on their emotions than make the fundamental effort to educate themselves about the nature of the issue and do the “grunt work” of organizing themselves, coming up with a coherent message, and acting like responsible adults.
if rioting doesn’t make sense, then maybe you should tell that to the police, who were the only ones wreaking mayhem on Sproul. Gathering, speaking, even camping, are not a riot. Whacking people with batons, grabbing by the hair and throwing them to the ground? that was all the cops.
[the general assembly passed a proposal saying it is “not a good strategy to use physical violence to stop vandalism.”]
I wonder if they would feel the same way it were their cars, homes, or businesses being vandalized…
“The individuals who linked arms and actively resisted, that in itself
is an act of violence,” UC police Capt. Margo Bennett said. “I
understand that many students may not think that, but linking arms in a
human chain when ordered to step aside is not a nonviolent protest.” (quoted in the SF Chronicle, see http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article/article?f=/c/a/2011/11/10/MNH21LTC4D.DTL
A modest suggestion to the General Assembly: could Capt. Bennett’s immediate retirement be made a high priority issue? Or the retirement of whoever it is above her who is promulgating this policy?
What is the GA really protesting? Tuition? Or are they just wanting to protest in general because they think it is fun. I don’t know what their message is anymore. Occupying buildings and encampments sends the wrong message. It seems they just talk and talk about what do to next and eat pizza. Every protest turns out the same. They need to take their message where it belongs: to the state government. They are the ones NOT funding education. The regents are responding to that lack of funding. California is not alone. Have you bothered to check what tuition is at other state schools?
Keep in mind that those protesting are generally not responsible young adults, but overgrown children. They aren’t interested in learning the details and doing the grunt work to present their agenda in an coherent manner. A generation of couch potatoes, sitcom TV watchers, and video/computer game players expects instant gratification, and when they can’t have it, it’s tantrum time. The problem is that the same nanny state government that assumes that it can raise children better than their own parents hasn’t figured out how to instill any concept of discipline or sense of responsibility in its young charges, hence the mass tantrum known as Occupy Whatever…
hahaha… Tony, i like how you’re taking this whole thing so personal. haha.. you’re funny
Is that a chihuahua nipping at my ankles or what?
haha.. maybe?
It’s time to get out the water cannons. Hosing these people down with high streams of water isn’t violent, they just get wet and cold. They want to act like vermin, making nests, then they need to be cleaned out the same way. Maybe they will all get mumps, too. Is that still on campus? The OWS have a communicable lung disease they are passing around.
This piece by the Daily Cal is a deliberate provocation/falsification. I attended last night, and the General Assembly explicitly voted that vandalism is not a useful tactic and to make the Open University a safe, fun place for all. Why didn’t the author mention this? No clashes with the police are being planned or promoted. There was absolutely no sentiment of the GA in favor of “violent clashes” — in fact it was decided NOT to organize blockades precisely in order to avoid any potential provocations by the police. This article borders on slander and should be immediately removed from the website, if the Daily Cal wants to maintain a shred of credibility.
what kind of loser worries that direct action will hurt the cause? Union much?
Dear Pamela,
Please stop calling people losers. If you’re a Cal student, you should be smart enough to debate without argumentum ad hominem.
Cheers,
David
If your goal is alienating the general populace and ensuring that college students receive NO sympathy whatsoever from the working taxpayers, then you’re right, “direct action” (which I assume means vandalism and rioting) won’t hurt your cause…
Tony M!!!!!!!!! don’t cry
Former SEC regulator Bill Black’s address to Occupy LA.
This guy helped put 1000 bankers in prison after the S&L crisis of the 1980s.
Now he’s a prof of econ and law at UM-KC.
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/black.htm
If you have half a brain, you should watch it, even pissant trolls should watch.
http://neweconomicperspectives.blogspot.com/2011/11/bill-blacks-address-to-occupyla.html
(video is cut off at ~ 16 min mark, haven’t found the rest of it yet,
below is youtube posting – same cutoff, but other good stuff on the RHS
of the page, including UC’s own Rob Reich’s address on the same day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_AuvLTJNh0
Don’t know the name Brooksley Born?
Shame on you, you cannot Occupy w/o knowing the history.
Don’t know who signed Graham-Leach-Bliley?
Don’t know what MERS is?
I don’t understand why anyone would think these encampments are a good idea. They’re a health and safety hazard. There is no way on knowing who would be living in these tents and no facilities for these people to use. They would only serve as a danger and an eyesore to the campus. I mean, just look at what happened in Oakland on Thursday and all the other reports about the other Occupy protests. I mean, regardless of your stance on the actual issue of the budget cuts you have to see the problems with these encampments.
an eyesore? take a look at what devastating consequences are occurring all over the world, the climate change, the drones the bombs but it’s all out of your field of vision
what a horse with blinders, keep going till you land on the rocks below
an eyesore is the least of your worries when you’re blind
Your reply has no relevance to Guest’s post. Talking about encampments here, not global warming. Seems you are the one with blinders on. I thought the protests were supposedly all about tuition, not climate change and drones. You are obviously not with the GA on this one or even a student. Your agenda belongs elsewhere, not in this protest.
“I thought the protests were supposedly all about tuition, not climate change and drones. ”
It’s all related, Mr. Confoosed. It’s all related.
It’s only “related” in that it’s an excuse for children like you to whine and cry and throw things. You never outgrew the Terrible Twos, did you?
hahaha!! Oh Tony! “children like you to whine and cry and throw things” you’re an idiot
Hello there, troll.
haha.. Go! Tony! Go! Keep it coming!! haha..
I can think of a more devastating consequence, namely young minds like yours filled full of nonsensical left-wing propaganda to the point that critical thought processes are no longer possible. If you think squatting in a tent somewhere is going to result in some solution to war, climate change, poverty, whatever, then may I suggest that you seek professional psychiatric help for your cognitive dissonance and narcissistic delusions of self-importance. Fools like you are joke fodder for late-night talk show hosts and an embarrassment to Cal and students everywhere…
And delusional right-wing propagandists such as yourself think “critical thought” means donating money to the Koch Bros.
I guess the fact I haven’t donated any money to the Koch Brothers pretty much nullifies your argument. Come on now, as agitated as you people are, you would THINK you would have something of substance to offer… but apparently not.
haha.. Tony! M! haha.. You’re so clever.
oh Tony harsh words there! But very mature… I like how you get so menstrual.. hahaha
You know what’s an eyesore? Worsening poverty, unemployment, and $1 trillion in student debt. Out of sight, out of mind.
And your little camp of Marxist wanna-bes, sociology majors, and assorted street vermin is going to solve any of the problems you mentioned above?
I’m still laughing
We are at least trying solutions. Bringing attention to the fact that there is a problem to many people who are actually ignorant about how our social structure is creating class warfare is actually part of the solution. If people are aware there is something wrong, how can we thus work together and create solutions? education is an important aspect of the solution.
[We are at least trying solutions.]
Your solution (Marxism) doesn’t work. What part of the last 100 years of world history do you NOT understand?
capitalism works so much better! things are so fucking rosy red right now!
Thank you! I am glad more people can see how problematic an encampment would be.
Exactly. The honest truth (which the Occupy movement is desperately trying to prevent the media from reporting) is that these encampments have become rape centers. There have been repeated sexual assaults at occupy camps across the country, and the occupiers have deliberately impeded criminal investigations because they hate the police.
the general assembly passed a proposal saying it is “not a good strategy to use physical violence to stop vandalism.”
That pretty much tells you all that you need to know about these people. They are violent thugs and goons who prefer violence and property damage to intellectual discourse.
Fight on, UCPD !
‘Fight on Nazi, I love to hear the sound of ribs crunching.’ YOu are the kind of person that lived down the road from Aushwitz and just kept sweeping your porch when the smell and ash came by. Smell? What smell? complicit loser
Again, way off base. And name calling? Not very effective and very telling of your intellect.
haha… I think Tony M has found a girlfriend.
Actually, the current Occupy Whatever types breaking windows, threatening shopowners, and looking for scapegoats for the current economic malaise bear a far stronger resemblance to Kristalnacht and the behavior of NSDAP street thugs in 1930′s Deutschland than anything your political opponents have ever done. One more example of cognitive dissonance on your part, little girl.
“Little girl”? That says it all Tony M.
I think Tony was referring to her emotional age.
Thank you…
Pamela is a female name, and she sounds like a silly child. “Little girl” is entirely appropriate here…
hahahahahaha… Tony! hahahahahahaha You MUST be one of America’s brightest commentators! hahaha
hahahahahahaha
Is this a persuasive and coherent argument? I think not. Do you have anything constructive to say?
No, Confoosed, he does not. He’s a little obsessive/compulsive stalker troll who follows me around, changing his handle but still posting the same silly nonsense.
ahahahahahaha… tony… haha
Kind of like your obsessive compulsive comments on the Sex on Monday column? You’re 40 years old, Tony. Keep the fantasizing about 20 year olds to yourself, please.
Sorry I made fun of your column, but you can post under your real name if you want…
No confoosed! I Don’t! Do you and Tony M? HAHA..
Do you even go to this school?
The protester added that any violent clashes with police, like what happened Wednesday, “will be beneficial to our cause.”
Exactly. They had a fine compromise from the Chancellor, but THEY WANT CONFRONTATION.
They are not saying that is what they WANT, they’re saying that is what will happen (as it obviously did with the confrontations on Wednesday…heck, it was even on the Colbert Report!). NO ONE wants any violence, but meekly sitting inside waiting for the chancellor to give them cookies and milk does not adequately spread the ideals of a cause. And as we saw on Wednesday, no protestors were being violent. Do you think YOU could stand there and get beat by batons…and then not retaliate? It takes a lot of self-control, courage, and determination to do what these students are doing. Remember, peace is hard, and those who pursue are more brave than those who do what is easy, and not what is right.
This movement already fail because people like myself who where considering join and saw that “The protester added that any violent clashes with police “will be beneficial to our cause.”” Tell me that I should not participate with people that all the want to violence and confrontation with the police.
Your participation should not be based on the media. This article is bull, it has skewed what actually happened and was said at last night’s general assembly. It is unfortunate that it would influence you negatively when it is not even true. I hope you know none of us want violence which is why we have remained nonviolent despite being hit.
[Your participation should not be based on the media.]
He isn’t basing it on media opinion. He’s basing his participation on whether he wants to associate with a bunch of people who are more interested in violence and vandalism than dealing with real issues. At least he’s using his brain and making a judgment call – given him credit for doing some critical thinking before putting himself in a position where he could be involved in a violent confrontation.
how does he know what those people are interested in? because he read a partial quote in a media article? that’s the point. Most people making pronouncements about what occupiers want have not been there or talked to anyone. they are getting their information filtered by the media. Critical thinking that doesn’t analyze sources needs to be a bit more critical.
then the movement fails because of your unwillingness to see beyond the media representation of the event. Which is why the media matters, but also why it matters to be there yourself. Many more people joined because they saw innocent nonviolent people brutalized and were not willing to stand by. The point is, which side will you be on, next time?
You can’t take one person’s comment as the ultimate voice of the whole movement. Just because this one person said that violence would be beneficial does not mean that the whole assembly is thirsty for physical aggression. Nobody wanted it to turn violent. I think the point is that the violence that occurred, albeit tragic, has a silver lining. It is promoting more solidarity among students and other observers. Now there is even more injustice. I was only passively interested and now I am outraged and involved.
Exactly. These people don’t want dialog or discussion. They just want to prefer physical confrontation, because they see that as the most effective way to force their views on the rest of us.
They are the lowest form of scum.
haha.. You’re an idiot, but you’re funny
If stopping an 81% fee increase is forcing “their views on the rest of us,” I say force away.
And rioting is going to magically produce a pile of money appear?
NO! They don’t WANT confrontation. But that is what they will get and they know that and feel that they message is worth risking this, and it is worth it.
I hope some of you Occupy Cal members and other students read this. I realize that the rising cost of tuition has driven you to this point. When I attended Cal,even as an out of state student, it cost $235 per trimester. I am asking you to look at the conditions that led to the state cutting back on education. The corporations and the banks have pressured all higher education funding so they can control you by massive loans and a begging need for corporate jobs to pay those loans. It is not the State of California, its Bank of America, Wells Fargo and the like. Look at the infiltration by the global corporations into the universities- BP into Berkeley for example. Control the university, you control the research undertaken and its findings and create a training camp for future employees. Listen to the Occupy Wall Street people who know what the big picture really is about. It it way beyond tuition fees, much if not most of your future has already been outsourced by these same friends of higher education. The only difference between most of you and the OWS people is that you live on campus. Your education in whatever field is far more valuable to you and society than a job. Six months after I graduated I realized Berkeley taught me to think for myself, and I expect the same revelation will happen to you. Look out into the world and see the global revolution you will walk into after graduation and see for youself. It will not be the same world that I walked into, it will be a better one. Tom Nenni Letters & Science Class of 1974
Looks like another liberal arts type spouting nonsense. Fact of the matter is that the State of California is broke, and not because tax rates aren’t high enough here. California is in its current fiscal predicament because the oh-so-progressive residents think the solution to all problems is to expand the size and scope of government, expand the state bureaucracy, and provide various and sundry handouts to people who consume more in social services than they produce, including professional welfare recipients and illegal aliens. Unfortunately, many of the overgrown children whining about the rising cost of tuition haven’t figured out that the same budget-busting programs they support (high speed rail, handouts for illegals, etc.) compete for the same budget dollars in a shrinking economy. As far as the OWS people go, most of them don’t have a clue, given that they seem to think the solution is reviving various forms of Marxism, a system which has created far more poverty, injustice, and inequality wherever it has been implemented…
haha.. Tony, I’m laughing at you..
Both the ACLU and the National Lawyers Guild said they had “grave concerns about the conduct” of campus police.
“Video recordings raise numerous questions about UCPD’s oversight and
handling of these events, including whether law enforcement were truly
required to beat protesters with batons,” the two groups wrote in a
letter to campus officials.
“Using a baton to go through a nonviolent crowd is as inappropriate
today as it was in the South when they used it to enforce segregation in
the 1960s,” said Jim Chanin, a Berkeley attorney who specializes in
police misconduct issues.
Sam Walker, a professor emeritus of criminal justice at the University of Nebraska at Omaha who has served as a consultant to the
Oakland Police Department, said he thought the campus response was
“unprovoked” and “completely unnecessary.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/10/MNH21LTC4D.DTL#ixzz1dTCb8cWs
The only authorities quoted saying there was no issue with undue use of force were from UCPD and Alameda County Sheriff, ie both the agencies subject to the criticism.
Where’s Tony M. Trolleroni? Busy Eating Bologna?
Naw, he wouldn’t eat what he usually types, would he?
I have to laugh at children like you. You are all trying to act out your fantasy lives as revolutionary street fighters, and whine like a baby over being hit with a baton? LMAO! Go take a Midol and lay down on the couch in the women’s restroom if the pain is too much for you…
And I can’t help but laugh at YOU! Somebody is getting menstrual!!!!
Tony M IS right. You are a troll. You don’t know how to intelligently argue and just resort to name calling. I cannot take you seriously. Oh, and by the way, this is a derogatory term to women. Are you anti-feminist? Am I a man or woman? Can you really tell?
haha.. yes i am a troll. so are you!
Man or Woman? you’re confoosed! haha.. Tony M is funnier..
How right you are! These “protestors” want to be taken seriously, but they argue like children. Those ones of the past at Berkeley took civil disobedience seriously, including understanding that they WOULD be arrested for their actions, knowing they WERE breaking the law. These people today whine, “but we were ONLY holding arms” (NOT civil disobedience but a direct act of defiance) or believing that they are doing nothing wrong. They have never been held accountable for their actions.