Bathroom controversy follows opening of new residence hall

A women's bathroom sign is covered at Martinez Commons. There has been controversy over the usage of differentiated bathrooms as well as shared facilities by residents.
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A women's bathroom sign is covered at Martinez Commons. There has been controversy over the usage of differentiated bathrooms as well as shared facilities by residents.

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Construction still uncompleted, students in the new Maximino Martinez Commons had to quickly adjust to concerns raised over the gender-specific bathrooms in the residence hall when they moved in last week.

Because the eight bathrooms in the newly opened dorm were originally all gender-specific, some residents felt uncomfortable using a gender-designated bathroom. After the concerns were raised, six bathrooms were made coed, according to an email sent to all residents of the building.

“Some people who consider themselves transgender would like the (coed) bathrooms,” said Ciera Dudley, a UC Berkeley sophomore and Martinez Commons resident.

She said splitting bathrooms between single-gender and coed was a good compromise.

The residence hall — which first opened this fall on Channing Way — houses approximately 196 students on four floors, with housing prioritized for sophomore students and upper-division students. The apartments located in Martinez Commons were not affected by the changes to the bathrooms since each apartment has its own bathroom.

Campus housing officials said construction and finishing room set-ups were a priority in meeting their opening deadline.

“We regret that we ran out of time in our pre-opening building reviews and missed this particular detail,” said LeNorman Strong, associate vice chancellor of student affairs for Residential and Student Service Programs, in an email. “The (program’s) planning goals include both single-gender and gender-inclusive (coed) bathrooms.”

Although the residence hall ultimately accommodated both gender-specific and coed bathrooms, all eight bathrooms were first changed to coed. It was then that other students raised concern over the lack of privacy in having all coed bathrooms.

Erun Kham, a sophomore living in the new housing facility, said she was unhappy about the switch to gender-inclusive bathrooms when she moved in. For “personal and religious relations” she said she wanted gender-specific bathrooms as originally advertised on the campus housing website.

“(A) big thing was also my parents,” Kham said. “They wouldn’t want me living here.”

Afterward, following campus policy to accommodate single-gender and coed restrooms, six of the eight bathrooms were coed, while the other two remained gender-specific. The bathrooms are marked with paper signs to alert students to which bathrooms can be used. Other housing facilities, including Units 1 and 2, have both coed and gender-specific bathrooms.

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  • Nunya Beeswax

    Much heat, little light. The UC is circling the drain, and we’re arguing about gender-specific bathrooms, for fuck’s sake.

    I’d laugh if I weren’t about to cry.

  • alum

    I may not want girls listening in on my dropping a deuce, but if that’s how the restrooms are setup? Eh, I’ll deal. In the grand scheme of things, a label of a bathroom door is not and should not be that big of a deal, for any type of person regardless of what you’re packing or what goodies you wish you had between your legs.

    • Guest

      Nothing like a male saying he’s all right about co-ed bathrooms and telling women not to worry about sexual predators who peep at them.

      • alum

        I never said for women not to worry about sexual predators. Those incidents don’t occur that often, and are simply fixed with stall doors that go towards the ceiling.

  • Guest

    Wow, what a start to the semester! Nothing like a 110+ post knock-down fight over non-standard sexual practices. I’m especially glad that both sides are well represented and have continued trading blows over multiple days. That makes it so much more exciting than when one side monopolizes the comments early.

    Hopefully the rest of the semester is just as exciting in daily cal land.

  • Marissa McMinn

    I don’t see how peeing in the same place as people of other genders is a big deal. You’re in there to urinate, maybe have some vicious diarrhea, have a regular bowel movement, wash your hands, powder your nose, fix your hair, etc. Regardless of your feelings about accommodating a group that you may or may not agree with, what does any of that have to do with the other people in the room?

    • Guest

      So it doesn’t bother you. Great. Are you invalidating the emotional experiences of women who are bothered by it?

      And FYI, it’s generally not the peeing in the same place that bothers female students, it’s the potentially getting videotaped while showering part.

    • I_h8_disqus

      I don’t think the issue is about elimination of waste. The issue is about the showers. Where people will be naked and will feel vulnerable.

  • alice

    I for one as a transwoman myself find that most of the comments I am seeing are completely transphobic and offensive. It’s hard to believe people really think so selfishly

    • Guest

      You were born a MALE, not a female. Stop being confused.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1417246651 Jaime Ray

        How does one know what parts she or anyone else has or has had without further examination and evaluation? Stop, go no further! How is this a genuine concern for the rest of us? Going on about this becomes just another witch hunt promulgated by those who want everyone around them to fit or be forced into their rigid bi-gender paradigm. Some who have later identified as a trans man or woman possessed ambiguous (indeterminate) genitalia and a blend of endocrinology at birth while others have simply had a felt identity that didn’t match their parts, it is as simple or as complex as that. Forcing square pegs into round holes won’t help to sort this one out. To do so is to violate a person’s individual right to completely embrace and to own their unique gender composition however nonconformist that may be with respect to another person’s gender map.

        • Guest

          “rigid bi-gender paradigm”

          aka, reality

        • Stan De San Diego

          “How does one know what parts she or anyone else has or has had without further examination and evaluation?”

          When does it stop becoming “examination” and start becoming masturbation? Most of us can tell someones’ sex within a few seconds – and the old tuckdown trick with the masking tape only fools drunks and those who play along with the fantasy.

    • Stan De San Diego

      “It’s hard to believe people really think so selfishly”

      The only “selfish” ones are those confused girly-men who are trying to force everyone else to cater to their particular fantasy. Personally, if you want to wear a dress, that’s your own business. What’s annoying is your insistence that the rest of us spend taxpayer money to provide special bathroom facilities because you can’t keep your particular fetish in private where it belongs.

  • Guest

    http://archive.dailycal.org/article/112130/student_arrested_for_allegedly_taking_pictures_in_

    “In a similar incident in October, a man disguised as a woman allegedly took pictures of several women in the RSF locker room on two occasions. UCPD arrested the suspect about two weeks later.”

    Of course, the UC believes that “transgender” rights matter more than women’s rights.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Amanda-Hunter/100003779076444 Amanda Hunter

      this has nothing to do with this, why do some peolpe want to say that transgender = perverts i know a transsexaul woman who saved a 7 year old gir from a predator in a restaurant she was in the bathroom coming out when the little girl was going in the man asked if she(little girl) needed help the door opened all the way and the transwoman said to him no she will be fine and made sure the door closed all the way behind the little girl. the guy left fast. a waitress saw what happened and took her name and number so the police could get information on the creep.

      • Guest

        No one said all transgender are perverts. The point is that if you give them special accommadations, then the perverts will take advantage too. How do you tell the difference from a real transgender and a guy who wants to go into the women’s room to see some boobies.

  • Guest

    Lol at this thread. I bet all the freshman who thought they were coming to a leftist utopia are shocked to find out what the silent majority at Berkeley really thinks.

    • JJMMC

      No, the “silent majority” of Cal students don’t believe that “sex = gender” or some 19th century BS like that. It’s just the no-life right-wing trolls (some a decade+ out of Cal) that manage to take over message boards on the internet. But keep telling yourself that your opinions are normal if it makes you feel less guilty about your bigotry.

      • Guest

        Just like you’re a “right leaning alum”. Your cover is blown, leftist.

    • I_h8_disqus

      You have a lot of students here who are not willing to stop using their brains, ignore science, or logic. They can sort out the issues, and they will often come out with compassionate stances. The compassionate position often isn’t found in a leftist or rightist utopia.

  • flashsteve

    I’m just curious; what happens to these students when they go out into the ‘real’ world, after graduation? How do they possibly cope?

    • Guest

      they get the aclu to file nuisance lawsuits on their behalf. duh.

    • JJMMC

      Uh, by having private residences free from transphobic harassment?

      • Guest

        “Uh, by having private residences free from transphobic harassment?”

        i.e. not imposing their fetishes on others until they want to waste taxpayer dollars by filing frivolous lawsuits about how their “rights” were violated

      • Stan De San Diego

        That’s an excellent argument for reserving “Girls Night Out” and other cross-dressing activities for private events and venues where such activity is accepted as part of the entertainment, as opposed to imposing your sexual fetish on others at the taxpayer’s expense.

  • A current student

    I’ve developed this phobia where I feel VERY UNCOMFORTABLE if I have to use a bathroom other people use.

    Since the Maximino Martinez Commons staff are so kind to accommodate the requests of my transgender peers, I’m certain they’ll consent to giving me my own private exclusive bathroom at no extra cost even though I don’t live in one the apartments.

    • Guest

      Depends. Are you protected minority, or a worthless white-heterosexual-oppressor-exploiter?

  • http://www.facebook.com/rick.lickme Rick Lickme

    at 6/8 so 75% of the students are trannys? awesome.

  • rob

    good god. so many hateful, trolling bigots on here. educate yourselves on the experiences of transgender people, who have a gender identity, just like you. read the National Transgender Discrimination Study: http://www.thetaskforce.org/reports_and_research/ntds. and for fuck’s sake, show some fucking respect.

    • Stan De San Diego

      Yeah, right, whatever. Anyone who DARES disagree with the militant transgender movement is a “hateful, trolling, bigot”. We’re not talking race, sex, ethnicity or religious beliefs here. We’re talking about guys who want to dress like women.

      • Guest

        Exactly, Stan. Page 1 of the leftist playbook is to accuse anyone who disagrees with you of “hatred” and “bigotry”. Shift the discussion from the substantive issue to the character of your opponent.

        Everyone can see through this liberal charade.

      • JJMMC

        Wait, so if you believe that sex != gender, you’re part of the “militant transgender movement”?

  • Adam

    I lived in the Unit 2 dorms from Fall 1998 – Spring 1999. If I recall correctly, there were eight floors in our dorm, one floor was all male, another floor was all female. The bathrooms on all eight floors (including the male or female floors) were coed. There was never a problem (that I remember, at least) and if there was it was minor enough to not turn into a controversy. I don’t remember anyone leering at members of the other gender or any incidents occurring. I think the most complicated issue that arose is that on some floors, one of the four toilets (there were no urinals) were designated as “pee standing up” toilets so that when people needed to sit down to use the toilet (for whatever reason) they didn’t have to rub their legs in fresh hot urine as the penis is not known for having particularly great aim. I’m surprised that something that was such a non-issue 14 years ago is causing a problem in 2012. GO BEARS!

    • Guest

      More catering to the queer agenda by clueless liberals. Classic Bezerkeley.

    • Guest

      Never any problems that you remember? I take it that you must not have talked with any female students about their comfort level with coed showers.

  • hmr

    Bear in mind most bathrooms in Unit 3 have been gender-inclusive for years. Institutions, albeit slowly, will adapt to society and life goes on. Indeed, I find this tiny piece of news heartening.

    • I_h8_disqus

      And last year we had several females harassed by males who were taking video of them in the showers. The coed bathrooms have had a history of making the women of Cal feel less than safe. I have no issues with having some coed bathrooms to accommodate those that need them, but I think the university needs to make the security of the female residents the first priority.

      • Guest

        If those women are heterosexual, then they deserve to feel unsafe because their kind have been oppressing transgenders for centuries!!

        • I_h8_disqus

          It is comments like this that remind me that we have great faculty and great facilities, but we have too much university. We try to accomplish too much and so we water down the quality. We let in too many students, so we don’t have the intellectual student quality that a top 5 university should have. There is no way someone who makes a comment like Guest’s should ever have been able to get into Cal. Cal could solve its budget problems and reduce its need to dumb down its classes if it restricted its size to that of its peers. Bigger isn’t better.

          • JJMMC

            Probably a troll, maybe a radfem activist. Certainly it’s less offensive than “Stan de”‘s bigotry.

          • Guest

            maybe in your mind.

            I think it is 10 times more offensive than anything Stan was posted.

          • JJMMC

            OK, here’s the thing. If the (other) guest isn’t trolling, there’s a 99% chance that they’re making a political-not literal-statement.

            Think about how unsafe transgender people must feel on a daily basis. How often they’re harassed, threatened, aggressively stared down. As the slurs used so far in this forum reflect, this sort of intimidation is common even in the Bay Area.

            The statement “they deserve to feel unsafe” is shocking, but by refusing to grant trans people really slight accommodations like a couple co-ed bathrooms and refusing to even acknowledge that transsexuality is a real thing, “Stan De” and various guests are implicitly saying the same exact thing.

          • Guest

            Lol, it’s not a “couple” coed bathrooms, it’s 75% of the bathrooms in the building.

          • Stan De San Diego

            Sorry, JJ, but you don’t get to define “bigotry”.

      • Guest
      • JJMMC

        So

        frequency of peeping tom incidents: 1ish per year?
        frequency of transphobic harassment: all the fucking time

        And we’re really not willing to make ANY accommodations?

        • I_h8_disqus

          You are really going to go with the quantity argument? You think that women in those coed restrooms or anywhere on campus are not dealing with so much more harassment than transgenders? Have you noticed the statistics about college women being assaulted? That should give you a clue to the fact that there is a lot more happening than what the Daily Cal reports. The topic doesn’t come up often, but when there is talk about dorm restrooms it is always a female friend commenting on the way the guys make them feel uncomfortable.

          And do you see me saying I am not willing to make any accommodations? I wrote that I am willing to have some coed bathrooms, but the needs of biological women take priority, and their much larger numbers deserve more consideration.

          • JJMMC

            Woah, chill dude. My “no accommodations” comment was aimed at Stan de Douchebag and his guest pals.

            Remember, we have the same proposed solution: 2 or 3 coed, 2 or 3 female, and 1 or 2 male.

          • I_h8_disqus

            When you reply directly to me and don’t mention any other poster’s comment, I figure the whole comment is related to what i said.

          • Stan De San Diego

            “Stan de Douchebag”

            And you wonder why I think you’re as asshole.

          • JJMMC

            The most obnoxious troll on the DailyCal is upset because someone called him a douchebag? That’s rich.

        • Guest

          I guarantee there are far more peeping incidents that “transphobic” harassment at Berkeley. Guarantee it.

  • Current student

    Translation: hundreds of female residents should just shut up and deal with men leering at them in the showers, so that one trannie doesn’t feel “uncomfortable”.

    Only in Berkeley are the rights of hundreds of normal people trumped by the feelings of one queer.

    • JJMMC

      fuck you go far away from other people

      • Guest

        Seemed like a reasonable observation by current student to me. Why should female students have to put up with pervy freshman guys sneaking pictures of them in the bathroom?

        • JJMMC

          He edited his comment. 1st draft used several derogatory terms.

          • Stan De San Diego

            You make plenty of derogatory remarks about others that disagree with YOUR viewpoint, so complaining about it is like the pot calling the kettle black.

          • JJMMC

            Such as?

          • Guest

            You seem to have conveniently forgotten your anti-Christian rant above.

      • Stan De San Diego

        Hey, he called it as he sees it, and a little intellectual honesty from a current student is nice to see. Learn to live with the fact that you can’t silence others merely because they won’t kowtow to your opinions.

        • JJMMC

          He edited his comment. 1st draft used several very offensive terms.

          • Stan De San Diego

            Are you the Self-Appointed Arbiter of What Words can be Used in Public Discourse?

          • JJMMC

            Stan, listen, please. The year is 2012— transphobia is no longer acceptable, I know, the suggestion that gender != sex makes you uncomfortable. This is your problem to solve.

            Derogatory comments, *by definition* are not an element of civil discourse, but I know you already know this. In fact, you probably think this is funny. Your reaction is just a coping mechanism. Please: get a life, get off the DailyCal, and get back to your wife and kid/job.

          • I_h8_disqus

            If this whole thing was over, then the whole issue of coed bathrooms would have never been brought up by the transgender person in the new dorm. Fairly rare psychological issues are going to surprise people, and if the issue has been too closely linked to unpopular sexual practices people will react negatively. Personally, I believe the transgender population has done itself a disservice by linking itself so closely with the homosexual population. Now people think transgenders are all about sex.

          • MeganLynn

            you are correct it has done the transgender population an injustice by being added in with the gays, lesbian, bisexual, queer label. The reason they are with them is strength in numbers the true trans community is so much smaller then the glbq community they they would never be able to get any rights without the help of the glbq community backing them up. Its a true fact that a good majority of the gays and lesbian just do not understand what a transsexual person goes through as its about gender and not sexuality. The GLBQ has been well known to sell out the transgenders on many occasions and call them just confused gay people when that is so far from the truth as is possible. As for the idiots that say xy means male and xx means woman have not done there home work. There are thousands of xy females on this earth( born with all female parts but chromosomes say male) as well as xx males ( born with male parts but chromosomes say female). So xy= male and xx= female is not always true. There are also many other variations as well like xxy xxxxy , ect. , A true transsexual does not do what they do for any sexual kicks thats what transvestites do. A true transsexual will do there best to try to live and act as there biological gender but continue to fail over and over because thats not who they really are. Many will commit suicide as they feel like failures or do not want to fail or hurt anyone because of who they are. Transsexual will finally come out and be there true gender after it becomes almost impossible to keep living how the world seems to think they should. Your true gender is ingrained into your brain while you are still a fetus. All it takes is the wrong hormone wash at the right time and you will end up with a transsexual ( extreme wash) or gay/lesbian/bisexual ( lesser extreme wash) . Its also proven through science that the farther down the birth chain you are the more likely you are to be born this way. A womans body will consider testosterone to be an invasive foreign thing and fight against it the more time she becomes pregnant the better her body gets at it. If you truly asked transsexual people they would give anything to just be normal and not be this way. Its not a choice for them its a major birth defect. The only way to somewhat correct this is for them to live as there mental gender and slowly transform their bodies to be changed as well. Once a male to female goes on hormones most lose there libido and loose all function of there genitals. If this was a fetish why would one choose to lose sexual function. They would not this is why is not a fetish for a real transsexual. learn the true terms and facts people.

            Transsexual= person who’s mental gender and bio sex do not mesh.
            They will either try to fix this through hormones and surgery, suicide or continue to lie to themselves about it till one of the above comes to pass. The crazy stuff you see on gerry springer does not represent true transsexuals.

            crossdresser= a straight person who enjoys to wear the cloths designed of the opposite bio gender but does so for the love of it not the fetish.

            Transvestite= someone who crossdresses for sexual fetish reasons.

            drag queen= a gay male who enjoys expressing exaggerated femininity.

            ci gender = a person who’s mental and bio gender mess up correctly.

            transgender= a blanket term for all above including anyone who will mildly flirt with gender norms.

            bigot= anyone who feels anoughter human does not deserve the same rights they have. examples being anyone who feels its ok for straights to marry but gays are not is a bigot, anyone who feel they should not be fired for being straight but feels its ok to fire gays and trans people for being who they are is a bigot.

            There is no gay or trans agenda they just desire the same exact rights to safety, jobs, housing every straight person has thats all.
            Nobody is going go out of there way to beat up or kill a person for being straight but they sure as heck with for the being gay or trans hence the asking for protection. nobody will deny someone a job for being straight but they sure as heck will for someone being gay or trans. Nobody will deny a straight person heath care but they sure as heck will a gay or trans person up to and including letting them die because of hate. As soon as these injustices are done away with there will not be anymore so called agenda. Oh a contrary to some beliefs you can not turn someone gay or trans you are born this way.
            Only ones that will change are secretly gay/bi/trans in the first place.

          • Current student

            you already have the same rights as everyone else: marry one (1) person of the opposite gender.

          • MeganLynn

            Gender is between the ears and sex is between the legs. There is scientific proof the male and female brains are physically different. And its a fact that a true MTF( male to female ) transsexual has an identical brain as a female and a FTM( female to male) transsexual has an identical brain as a man. Sometimes mother nature just messes up and people are born wrong. No transsexual wishes to be they way they are they hate it deeply. The only cure is for them to transition to their brain gender. With your twisted thinking you would be against fixing a blind person so they can see an deaf person so they can hear. Transsexualism is as much a birth defect as the other examples are. You really must be watching way to much jerry springer as you have zero clue what you are talking about.

          • Guest

            You’re comparing apples to oranges. Transsexualism is manufactured by those with a fetish for being of the opposite sex. It is NOT a birth defect like you liberals like making it out to be.

          • Stan De San Diego

            Well said and to the point.

          • Stan De San Diego

            Thank you.

          • I_h8_disqus

            While I don’t think that science has yet to support some of the causes for transgender or sexual orientation that you list, I think the points you make about the differences between homosexuals and transexuals is important for people to learn. The Olympics once again highlighted Caster Semenya, and showed us that there are times when biology does not make clear cut distinctions about a person’s gender. It would be great for scientists to collect biological data on people dealing with gender identity issues to find out more about the effect of biology on the condition.

            I think that people don’t hate homosexuals, but they hate what they see as bad sexual morals and extrapolate that to all homosexuals. There are too many untruths out there either trying to support homosexuals or to eliminate homosexuality. The science doesn’t support “born this way” or that it is a choice like what to have for dinner, but since this is all people are given, they fight. The gay population has not helped itself with some of its sexual practices like insane promiscuity or men partially nude or in bondage gear out on the streets. Heterosexuals who present unusual sexual interests are also shown hate by the public.

          • Stan De San Diego

            I have no fear of transgender people whatsoever. However, I have a strong dislike of people who lie and distort an issue to push an agenda. Got it?

        • KRobert

          Wow. You, of all people, are complaining that people should “learn to live with the fact you can’t silence others?”

          You’ve told transgender people to sit down and shut up for this entire thread. This. Entire. Thread. And now you have the raw gall to say “learn to live with the fact you can’t silence others?”

          Learn to live with the fact you can’t silence others, Stan. And learn to live with the fact that your neolithic bigotry is going the way of the dinosaurs.

          • Stan De San Diego

            “You’ve told transgender people to sit down and shut up for this entire thread.”

            Do you have some form of reading comprehension issue? I have done nothing of the sort, merely pointed out the irrational and warped thinking of some of the militants in the transgender “movement”.

            ” And now you have the raw gall to say “learn to live with the fact you can’t silence others?””

            The fact of the matter is that if you are born a genetic male (XY) chromosomes, wearing makeup, putting on a dress, and claiming to be a woman trapped in a man’s body doesn’t make you a female. Now if that’s your particular erotic fantasy that you with to pursue with like-minded persons in your own time and on your own time, that’s your choice. There are outlets where that type of behavior is socially accepted, and if dressing up and going to Divas in the city on Saturday night to lip-synch “I Will Survive” at the Saturday Night Drag Show with Alexis Miranda is what floats your boat, then you go, girl. I’m certainly not going to lecture you about your private life, because in all honesty it’s none of my business (nor am I the least bit interested). You are free to live your own lifestyle as you see fit, up to a point – and that point is where you impose on the public and burden the taxpayers with all sorts of special demands to cater to your own particular fetish. Just as you are vocal with your beliefs, others are going to be vocal as well. The problems here is rampant narcissism (which is probably the closest thing to a “gay gene” you will ever find) makes you think you are entitled to force other into acquiescence – it simply doesn’t work that way in real life.

          • Guest

            Right again, Stan. The libtards do everything they can to shut down open debate by painting moderates and conservatives as “hate filled bigots”, but as soon as anyone stands up to them, they accuse the rest of us of silencing them.

            Duplicity at its finest.

          • KRobert

            No, the fact of the matter is you are ignoring what scientific research and all major medical organizations say in order to push your own opinion, and try and convince everyone that they follow yours.

            The so-called bathroom issue is a perfect example. Transgender people have no problem using the appropriate bathroom. The problem is that a small subset of cisgendered people (which it sounds like you’re a part of) have issues with this. So the solution, in order to cater to people like you, is to create “unisex” bathrooms.

            Now you think that Transgender people want special privileges because there are bathrooms catering to YOU and YOUR bigotry.

            The level of entitlement in your posts is literally mind-boggling.

          • Guest

            Trans are at most 1% of the student population, but 75% of the bathrooms have to be coed?? Who are the ones with the entitlement issues?

            And your continued refusal to acknowledge the fact that many many female students are uncomfortable showering with men is painfully obvious. Why are some peoples’ feelings more important than others? Who are you to lecture on what I should or should not be comfortable with You sound like a ****ing stalinist.

          • KRobert

            I acknowledge that some cisgender women have opinions similar to yours. Despite the fact that no one is under any obligation to cater to another’s bigotry (as is famously stated, you do NOT have the right to ‘comfort’ enshrined in the constitution anywhere – and by design (the founding fathers did NOT make people comfortable), the university has chosen to cater to these opinions (which are not shared by the AMA, APA, or any other major organization who has made a study of these issues). The university has chosen to make spaces where transgender people are excluded. Ignoring the fact this is a bit like designating some bathrooms “mixed race” and some “white only.”

            Not content with that, you are now launching into a rage that these bathrooms exist at all! Not addressed is what the Black, I’m sorry Transgender people are supposed to do here. Probable implication appears to be ‘curl up and die.’

            And then you object with being labeled “privileged?” That’s me being polite.

          • Current student

            So women who are uncomfortable showering in co-ed bathrooms are “bigots”. Is that what you are saying ?

          • KRobert

            I’m saying that women who have a problem showering with other women around are not a group I think particularly deserves to be catered to in a dorm situation.

            Nevertheless, they are being catered to, and now you’re complaining they’re not being catered to ENOUGH. The best part about this is you’re not even female! You’re just invoking this entire spectre on behalf of a group that you’re not even part of!

            Do you have a problem with trans men in the bathroom with cis men?

            P.S. I could comment that this is just a rehash of “black men is stealin’ and rapin’ our wommens.’ Which it is.

          • Guest

            “I’m saying that women who have a problem showering with other women
            around are not a group I think particularly deserves to be catered to in
            a dorm situation.”

            There’s a difference between people who were born with XX chromosomes and people with XY chromosomes who fantasize about having XX chromosomes.

            You care more about the one or two queers in the building and disregard the hundreds of normal students.

            As a Christian, I’d definitely be uncomfortable with showering near someone with XY chromosomes. That’s just unthinkable. Ugh.

            Playing the race card like all good liberals like to do, aren’t you? People who do that are racists just like Joe Biden when he made his chains comment.

          • KRobert

            Drawing comparisons between the fear tactics used by bigots in one civil rights struggle and the fear tactics used by bigots in another civil rights struggle is perfectly legitimate. You just don’t like it because it makes you look like a bigot. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, yeah.

            As for your discomfort with other people, well, suck it up. I’m not comfortable with my kids being around Christians. They’re a known group of child molesters (did you know most child molesters in this country are Christian? It’s true, do the research) and I don’t feel comfortable with my kids around them. Yet schools and other institutions have repeatedly denied my efforts to make “Christian Free Zones” where my kids can be safe and protected.

            You’d think such Christian Free Zones would be common sense, but, well, what can you do?

            By the way, Stan De, you are not female, and your “Guest” identity is woefully transparent.

          • Stan De San Diego

            Where did I ever claim to be female?

          • Guest

            uh, if she has a dong, she’s not a woman.

          • Guest

            who exactly is being “catered to” here?

            the large number of females students who have a not unreasonable fear of being peeped on (based on past incidents) ?

            or the tiny minority of trans who need 75 % of the bathrooms to be be “gender neutral” ?

          • KRobert

            Pretty sure that, by creating spaces where transgender people are not welcome, despite the paucity of evidence for something like “peeping” (a concern also tossed around regarding gay men and lesbian women in the military, and sometimes tossed around regarding lesbians in the locker rooms) counts as catering to the women who have irrational prejudices.

          • Current student

            “paucity of evidence”???

            there are stories about peeping in the daily cal almost every semester. far more often than stories about cross dressers getting harassed. but I guess some people are more equal than others.

          • KRobert

            There are transgender people killed regularly in this country, and you call it “a few cross-dressers getting harassed?”

            Tell that to the dead. “A few cross-dressers getting harassed.” You mean like Crissy Lee Polis, beaten and hospitalized in Baltimore? Like Brandy Martell, shot three times (twice in the chest and once in the genitals)? Like CeCe McDonald, now imprisoned for three years because she had the nerve to defend herself against a man charging her with clear intent to do violence, a man with Swastika tattoos and a history of domestic violence?

            Nice to see your true colors at last. Now get out.

          • Stan De San Diego

            “P.S. I could comment that this is just a rehash of “black men is stealin’ and rapin’ our wommens.’ Which it is.”

            Wrong.

          • Stan De San Diego

            “Not content with that, you are now launching into a rage that these
            bathrooms exist at all! Not addressed is what the Black, I’m sorry
            Transgender people are supposed to do here.”

            Nothing like a pathetic attempt to piggyback on the Civil Rights movement when your own cause can’t stand on its own merits, huh?

          • Stan De San Diego

            “No, the fact of the matter is you are ignoring what scientific research
            and all major medical organizations say in order to push your own
            opinion, and try and convince everyone that they follow yours.”

            So tell us what research proves that the chromosomes you were given at birth can be changed from XY to XX simply because you think you look fabulous in a black dress with heels. Sources and cites, please.

          • KRobert

            Do you want actual research that shows brain patterns of transgender people have characteristics of both genders, characteristics not found in cissexuals?

            Or are you setting up impossible standards because you know they’re impossible?

            The former exists.

          • Stan De San Diego

            “Or are you setting up impossible standards because you know they’re impossible?”

            The only reason you find them to be “impossible standards” is because your argument is not based on logic or reality.

          • KRobert

            Increased Cortical Thickness in Male-to-Female Transsexualismhttp://dbm.neuro.uni-jena.de/pdf-files/Luders-JBBS11.pdf

            Results: Results revealed thicker cortices in MTF transsexuals, both within regions of the left hemisphere (i.e., frontal and orbito-frontal cortex, central sulcus, perisylvian regions, paracentral gyrus) and right hemisphere (i.e., pre-/post-central gyrus, parietal cortex, temporal cortex, precuneus, fusiform, lingual, and orbito-frontal gyrus).
            Conclusion: These findings provide further evidence that brain anatomy is associated with gender identity, where measures in MTF transsexuals appear to be shifted away from gender-congruent men.

            A sex difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender identity.
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18980961

            White matter microstructure in female to male transsexuals before cross-sex hormonal treatment. A diffusion tensor imaging study.
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20562024

            Our results show that the white matter microstructure pattern in untreated FtM transsexuals is closer to the pattern of subjects who share their gender identity (males) than those who share their biological sex (females). Our results provide evidence for an inherent difference in the brain structure of FtM transsexuals.

            This should be some decent light reading for you.

          • KRobert

            Are you talking about research that shows transgender people have brain characteristics of both sexes in a way that is not typically found in cisgender people?

            Or are you talking about studies based around the misconception that chromosomes are the sole determinant of gender?

            Because the latter isn’t even science. The scientific community has known THAT’S wrong since Sox-9 disorders were discovered and induced in mice (resulting in sex reversals).

          • Guest

            bigot this, bigot that, the only “argument” KRobert has is childish name-calling.

  • Papa Bear

    Gawd. Does this sort of bull*** happen only in California public universities?

    • JJMMC

      1: It doesn’t.

      2: Because we’re sensitive to the comfort of transgender people, especially when accommodations come at no cost to anyone else.

      • I_h8_disqus

        The article seems to indicate that the accommodations are coming at the cost of our genetic female residents. Is there a reason that the transgender want a coed bathroom?

        • JJMMC

          >The article seems to indicate that the accommodations are coming at the cost of our genetic female residents.

          How? There are now single-gender and co-ed bathrooms.

          >Is there a reason that the transgender want a coed bathroom?

          Clearly, there is a/are reason(s). I don’t know the specifics, and I can’t think of why the specifics would be important.

          • I_h8_disqus

            There are now two gender specific bathrooms. I am assuming that means one women’s bathroom in the whole building. That doesn’t seem fair to the female population who I figure would like more privacy and would use the bathrooms more.

            Knowing the specifics can help people to understand the situation for the transgender students. If you make decisions without knowledge, then you are bound to screw up, just like the facilities department did twice with the bathroom designations. Ignorance should not be your go to mindset.

          • JJMMC

            >I am assuming that means one women’s bathroom in the whole building. That doesn’t seem fair to the female population…

            Hmm, you’re right. 2f + 2m + 4c would probably make more sense. It were politically tenable, 3f + 2m + 3c would probably be slightly better yet.

            >Knowing the specifics can help people to understand the situation for the transgender students.

            I agree, the facilities department should (and probably do know) the reasons. All I’m saying is that (taking into account the bullshit transgender people encounter on a daily basis) it’s not necessary to know exactly *why* transgender students prefer co-ed bathrooms before we (the consumers of the DailyCal) collectively pass judgement on the situation.

          • SarahS

            Unless the percentage of transgender persons at UCB far, far exceeds that in the general population, it certainly would make sense to have 3m + 3f +2coed. Really, do transgender people need more bathrooms than male and females who prefer to use same sex bathrooms??? The current distribution makes absolutely no sense!

          • Guest

            It’s all part of the liberal social engineering project. The UC administration and the LGBT movement have a common cause in forcing Christian female students to shower with men in an effort to batter down their moral convictions.

          • Adam

            As a proud Cal Alumni who lived in the dorms (in Unit 2) in 1998 when ALL bathrooms were coed, why isn’t 8coed the most painless formula?

            If your parents have a religious objection to this, remind them that this is probably only 1-2 semesters of your ~8 semester experience at UC Berkeley, which, again was recently recognized as the number one public university ON THE GLOBE, so if it really matters that much, just chalk it up to a GLOBAL experience, or if they’re really insistent on controlling their adult child during a University education, find a studio apartment in Berkeley. It probably won’t be as fun as living in the dorms, but at least you will have your own bathroom. Again, in my experience, the toilet stalls were large and very secure and provided privacy from would be peeping toms, and the shower stalls were large enough that in addition to having enough space to bathe, you could also dry off and put on enough clothing to ensure modesty or even easier, put on a nice big robe which, when worn appropriately by a man, woman, transgender, or other individual certainly leaves everything to the imagination.

          • Guest

            Lol at the typical anti-Christian bigotry from Adam.

            Here’s a thought, instead of just assuming that religion is all about parents objecting and controlling, maybe you should consider the possibility that students themselves believe that Christianity has something important to teach us about how we live our lives. OMG Adam’s head just imploded.

          • JJMMC

            Something important to teach us? Like “transexuality isn’t real”?

          • Guest

            Lol. Transexuality is manufactured by liberals eager to agitate.

          • JJMMC

            0/10, work on your trolling.

            The scary thing is that so many people really do think there is some left-wing conspiracy behind every major news story.

          • Guest

            Another card liberals play is to call anyone who doesn’t toe the liberal line a “troll”.

          • I_h8_disqus

            Nothing like having a guy say that coed bathrooms are great, and then berate a female who doesn’t feel comfortable. Cal is just lucky that things like dorm life are not part of the calculation for rating colleges.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Amanda-Hunter/100003779076444 Amanda Hunter

            what the hell are you talking about?

          • Stan De San Diego

            Thank you. Most of the demands of the transgender crowd aren’t based on logic or sense, but narcissistic feelings of entitlement. There seems to be this idea that a small vocal minority can impose preferences upon the majority based on the way they choose to dress or “feel” about their gender.

          • JJMMC

            Poor Christians. Can’t they catch any breaks in this country?

          • Stan De San Diego

            What does Christianity have to do with it, except for your feeble attempt to marginalize or belittle anyone who dares dissent to your wacko viewpoint? My objection has nothing do with religion, because my personal religious beliefs are somewhere between agnostic and atheistic in nature. My objection is that a small group of vocal extremists has browbeat the rest of society into pandering to their bizarre belief system, that somehow “gender” is a socially imposed construct with no basis in nature, and that individual’s feeling can somehow trump reality.

          • JJMMC

            Meh, I enjoyed the social aspect of the mixed-gender bathrooms. Also, it meant that the 90%+ students who were comfortable with the co-ed restrooms didn’t have to use the stairs if their floor didn’t happen to have the correct flavor.

          • Marissa McMinn

            They could just use the coed bathrooms. “Coed” doesn’t mean “this bathroom is just for the transgender students”, it means that it’s a bathroom for everyone.

          • I_h8_disqus

            It is a win for everyone except the females who do not feel comfortable showering with males. I have no issue with having coed bathrooms, but there should be enough women’s bathrooms so the women are not put into an uncomfortable or threatened position.

      • Papa Bear

        Who is We?

        • JJMMC

          Right-leaning recent alum here.

          Transgender people are really common targets of (often violent) discrimination. We (the Cal community) should make some (relatively slight) accommodations for these individuals.

          • I_h8_disqus

            I agree with you.

          • Stan De San Diego

            “Transgender people are really common targets of (often violent) discrimination.”

            And that violence comes primarily from other “protected groups”, not Cal students. Once again, a strawman argument to pander to people who insist on imposing their particular sexual fantasies/fetishes on the rest of the population.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1744676035 Jill Davidson

            Being transgender is not about sexuality – it’s about gender identity. Trans people have all kinds of sexuality, just like cis people.

          • Stan De San Diego

            Sex = gender. Just because you want to have XX chromosomes, or “feel” that you’re an XX chromosome person trapped in an XY chromosome’s body, or mutilate your body with a boob job or castration doesn’t change the fact if you are born with XY chromosomes. Males who think the world should treat them as females (or vice versa) based on their feelings need to seek medical or psychiatric help, and stop burdening the rest of society with their dysfunctional behavior. One more example of Political Correctness running amuck.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Amanda-Hunter/100003779076444 Amanda Hunter

            stan you are the one the should seek medical help.

          • Marissa McMinn


            stop burdening the rest of society with their dysfunctional behavior”

            They’re not burdening anyone at all. What have trans people done in any way to inconvenience others based on their gender expression? Peeing in the same location as people of other genders isn’t an inconvenience. Do you feel inconvenienced by people of the same gender who have to pee in the same room with you?

          • Stan De San Diego

            “They’re not burdening anyone at all.”

            When the taxpayers have to foot the bill, it’s a burden. It’s not like either the state or the UC system are flush with surplus money.

          • Marissa McMinn

            Letting more people use a bathroom costs tax payers how?

          • http://www.facebook.com/yimmadno Tanja Weiß

            So are you saying that you have personally tested the genetics of every single person who is trans? You do realize that the chromosomes do not always match with the physical appearance of the body right? Chromosomes can vary just as much as any other aspect of sex and gender when it comes to forms of intersex. With that being said, I would like to also point out that xx and xy are also not the only possibilities for sex chromosomes. There are also fun things like x, y (still birth if I remember correctly), xyy, and xxy. You should look around some day. There are articles about xy women who feel that they are women and have a fully developed functional female anatomy despite the xy chromosomes. I remember one such article even told of one giving birth to another xy daughter without the need of medical assistance. There are also other aspects of the body which can have their own statement towards the sex (for example, the

            mesonephric ducts) and thus it is indeterminate. People did not create things like intersex because they thought it would be fun to do. It actually exists and thus the term was required. Also about the medical or psychiatric help. That is what they do. The psychologists approve of this and they get surgeries for it so the medical help is definitely provided as well.

          • Guest

            “Gender identity” is worthless academic drivel. You’re a man or a woman, if you’re not sure I can take a look down your pants and let you know.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Amanda-Hunter/100003779076444 Amanda Hunter

            guest if you take your head out of the sand a do some research you may learns something MtF transsexuals have female brains.

          • Guest

            do their brains have two X chromosomes? If their brain cells have an X and a Y, then they are “male brains”

          • GuestAgain

            Oh, really? How many hits did you take on the old waterpipe to come up with that gem?

          • Jerry

            What’s a “cis” person?

          • JJMMC

            Basically, “not trans”. Here’s wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

          • Guest

            I weep to think of how many tax dollars have been wasted on leftwing academics .
            sitting around making up words like “cisgender”

          • KRobert

            Skinheads, rednecks, religious fanatics and gangbangers are protected groups now?

          • Guest

            Try african-americans, KRobert.

          • KRobert

            I see, everyone who shares a skin color shares an outlook on life, a belief structure, and has joint responsibilities for all actions taken by everyone of that skin color. Unless that skin color is White, I assume.

          • Guest

            Who was the one painting all members of the same group in a particular brush? Hypocrite.

            The fact of the matter is that most African Americans oppose gay marriage. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/70-of-african-a.html: ”

            California’s black and Latino voters, who turned out in droves for
            Barack Obama, also provided key support in favor of the state’s same-sex
            marriage ban. Seven in 10 black voters backed a successful ballot
            measure to overturn the California Supreme Court’s May decision allowing
            same-sex marriage, according to exit polls for The Associated Press.”

            Try having some intellectual honesty.

          • Stan De San Diego

            “The fact of the matter is that most African Americans oppose gay marriage.”

            And to boot, most of them are highly offended when gays try to equate same-sex marriage as a civil rights cause on par with ending Jim Crow and segregation.

          • Stan De San Diego

            “Right-leaning recent alum here.”

            Yeah, right, and I’m the Easter Bunny. Come on now, JJ – ANYONE who has read any online Daily Cal forum for any period of time knows you’re a flaming lefty.

          • Guest

            with the emphasis on flaming

  • I_h8_disqus

    Why are the transgenders are uncomfortable?

    • Guest

      Why are the straights uncomfortable with coed?

      • I_h8_disqus

        Are you ignorantly saying that all transgenders are gay? I should also point out that this isn’t a straight vs. gay thing. Neither my lesbian friends nor my straight female friends seem to want to share a bathroom with males.

        • Guest

          Are you ignorantly saying that transgenders have no right to be as uncomfortable with the bathroom arrangements as your friends are?

          And for what reason?

          Exactly.

          • I_h8_disqus

            I can’t tell if you are the same Guest on both posts, but all I did was ask a question.

          • Stan De San Diego

            I see you have no argument to make other than based on your emotions.

      • Marissa McMinn

        That is a good question.

    • dasht

      About “Why are the transgenders uncomfortable?”:

      One reason is that if a transgendered person ignores their own social gender, and picks a restroom based on biological sex, people can and sometimes do complain and harass. On the other hand, if a transgender person ignores their biological sex and picks a restroom basedd on social gender, people can and sometimes do complain and harass. With a co-ed restroom, the distinctions between biological sex and social gender don’t figure in to who is “supposed” to use the restroom.

      • Current student

        there is no distinction between sex and gender.

      • Stan De San Diego

        “One reason is that if a transgendered person ignores their own social
        gender, and picks a restroom based on biological sex, people can and
        sometimes do complain and harass.”

        They SHOULD complain! Just because some male is confused about his own sexuality and wants to dress in drag doesn’t give him carte blanche to demand access to women’s restrooms. This type of crap is a lawsuit waiting to happen when rapists and sexual predators find they can access a ladies room by dressing en femme. Proof positive that liberalism is a mental disorder.

        • http://twitter.com/TomDeLawnchair Jake from State Farm

          again with all this ‘sexual predator’ bullshit. this is not in any way connected to politics. I did not wake up and realise ‘hey! I’m transgender! I’m a liberal!’ mainly because I’m canadian and I’m fifteen and politics is dumb. There is a difference also between being transgender, and being a crossdresser. If a male crossdresser uses the ladies’ room, then yes, it would inevitably stir up something. But if this person was a male to female transgender, they feel like they should have a right to go into the bathroom belonging to their gender. The reason being is that they have every right to use the girls’ restroom as a female. Why? being a girl does not equate to being female. It just happens that 98% of females happen to be girls. And, ‘If some male is confused about his sexuality’ then this male would use the men’s bathroom regardless. If they question their GENDER IDENTITY, rather, they would continue using the men’s bathroom. This is simple logic. What this isn’t, is a mental disorder. Up until around a month ago, Gender Identity Disorder, aka being transgender, was, yes, under the category of being a disorder. Now, the ‘officials’ have realised it is not. And It never really was.

          • Guest

            The perfect explanation for why liberalism is a mental disorder.

          • Guest

            “98% of females happen to be girls”

            Priceless.

            Simply priceless.

    • Agitators

      They just enjoy agitating.