UC Berkeley student questioned, refused service after speaking Arabic on flight

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Ethan Epstein/Senior Staff

Update 04/15/2016: This article has been updated to reflect a response from Southwest Airlines.

On April 6, UC Berkeley senior Khairuldeen Makhzoomi was supposed to fly from Los Angeles to Oakland, get to campus and go to class. Instead, Makhzoomi was removed from Southwest Airlines flight 4260, detained by security officers, questioned by the FBI and refused service from Southwest after speaking Arabic before his flight took off.

Makhzoomi, a 26-year-old Iraqi refugee, left Iraq in 2002 after his father, an Iraqi diplomat, was killed under Saddam Hussein’s regime. His family fled to Jordan, where they lived until the United States granted his family asylum. Today, Makhzoomi helps his mother care for his younger brother, who was diagnosed with Down syndrome.

One day prior to the incident, Makhzoomi attended a dinner at the Los Angeles World Affairs Council with Secretary-General of the United Nations Ban Ki-moon.

On his way back to Berkeley, Makhzoomi, a loyal Southwest premier rewards member, boarded his flight to Oakland and called his uncle in Baghdad to tell him about Ki-moon’s event. At the end of the phone call, conducted in Arabic, Makhzoomi said goodbye to his uncle with the phrase “inshallah,” which translates to “if God is willing.”

When Makhzoomi hung up, he noticed a female passenger looking at him. Once he made eye contact with her, she got up and left her seat.

“She kept staring at me and I didn’t know what was wrong,” he said. “Then I realized what was happening and I just was thinking ‘I hope she’s not reporting me.’”

Minutes later, an airport employee arrived to remove Makhzoomi from the airplane. Makhzoomi was escorted onto the passenger boarding bridge where he was met by three security officers.

He learned that the passenger thought she had heard the word “Shahid,” meaning martyr, which is associated with jihad and has been associated with terrorists.

The conversation between Makhzoomi and the employee became complicated and political. The employee informed Makhzoomi that he was not allowed to return to the plane.

Then Makhzoomi heard one of the security officers radio for the FBI.

“At that moment I couldn’t feel anything,” he said. “I was so afraid. I was so scared.”

Makhzoomi was removed from the jet bridge and taken back to the gate where more security officers, police dogs and Southwest staff awaited him. Dozens of onlookers watched as he waited for the FBI to arrive.

In the meantime, security officers searched his bag again and continued to ask him if he had any other luggage he was keeping secret. Makhzoomi alleged that one police officer publicly searched his genital area and asked him if he was hiding a knife anywhere.

“That is when I couldn’t handle it and my eyes began to water,” he said. “The way they searched me and the dogs, the officers, people were watching me and the humiliation made me so afraid because it brought all of these memories back to me. I escaped Iraq because of the war, because of Saddam and what he did to my father. When I got home, I just slept for a few days.”

When the FBI arrived, Makhzoomi said they began questioning him about his family, the phone call he made on the plane and everything he knew about martyrism. After the interrogation was over, an FBI agent informed Makhzoomi that Southwest would not fly him home. Makhzoomi collected his refund and left Terminal 1 to process what had happened.

Makhzoomi called Southwest on Monday and they ensured his status was clear but offered him no apology. He said he considered filing a lawsuit against Southwest but decided against it.

“I don’t want money,” he said. “I don’t care about that. All I want is an apology.”

A statement from Southwest Airlines says that prior to departure, the flight crew decided to investigate “potentially threatening comments” made by Makhzoomi aboard the aircraft.

We wouldn’t remove passengers from flights without a collaborative decision rooted in established procedures,” the statement reads. “We regret any less than positive experience onboard our aircraft. … Southwest neither condones nor tolerates discrimination of any kind.”

Charles Hirschkind, a campus associate professor of anthropology who specializes in Islam and the Middle East, said prejudice against Muslims has institutional effects that manifest in airport security strategies and general police suspicion.

“Since 9/11, we’ve seen a steady increase in anti-Muslim bias and dissemination of fear about Muslims in the United States. That trend has really spiked during this current electoral season,” Hirschkind said. “Candidates have said things like Muslims should not be allowed to immigrate to this country. … All of these kinds of statements really ramp up both the level of fear and also the level of bias and prejudice and racism that Muslims face.”

Since he arrived in the United States, Makhzoomi has worked at a Cheesecake Factory, built a school in a Syrian refugee camp in Jordan, worked his way through community college, transferred to UC Berkeley where he is part of Model United Nations and the Berkeley Political Review and currently writes for the Huffington Post.

This summer, Makhzoomi will be representing Iraq at the Young Leaders Visitors Programme at the Swedish Institute. Makhzoomi said he hopes to one day return to Iraq, which will always be his home.

“I want to help the situation there as best as I can, and I will begin by focusing on education,” he said. “We need to cross the bridge when it comes to our differences and try to promote tolerance and harmony among Iraqi peoples.”

Maya Eliahou is the lead student life reporter. Contact her at [email protected] and follow her on Twitter at @MayaEliahou.

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  • lspanker

    It was racism plain and simple. You will never feel it if you belong to racial majority.

    I was denied entry into Saudi Arabia as a USAF crewmember because supposedly my last name sounded too Jewish. We were supposed to fly a C-141B mission from Rhein-Main to Riyadh when I got bounced from the crew for that leg. I didn’t regret it, as the plane broke down and the crew spent 3 nights in Tent City waiting for parts while I camped out on a hotel on the Rhein in Darmstadt and practiced useful German phrases such as “Ich mochte ein mehr Doppelbock, bitte!

  • Extremely racist? Sounds like you have some issues as well.

    • lspanker

      He’s a typical SJW eejit – probably goes to sleep with his Mickey Mouse night light so he can check for racists hiding under his bed…

    • JMP

      Not as many issues as someone who flags any comments they disagree with, even though there’s nothing objectionable about them.

      • lspanker

        The flaggers have been pretty much equal-opportunity w/r/t this particular article.

        • Seems the Disqus moderation settings aren’t optimal here.

          • dwss5

            Gary Rumain wrote:

            “Seems the Disqus moderation settings aren’t optimal here.”

            That’s the same experience others of us have had as well when we express our disagreement with Maya Eliahou’s and her supporters’ PC POV that Khairuldeen Makhzoomi’s narrative of the incident shall be completely accepted at face value.

          • A comment’s position is dependent on the sort order (see the upper right of the Disqus embed section). This has nothing to do with the moderation. Seems they have it set to allow two or three flags on a comment to have it marked as moderated.

  • loki asguardian

    you know, while i agree that south west and the passenger are racist idiots, the people that I’m mad at the most in this story are the FBI; they should check their sources! they hardly had enough evidence to treat this man like they did. Just think, we are living in an age where if you don’t like your neighbour, you can just call the feds and say: “I heard him speaking in ‘arabic’. Then he magically disappears…

    • lspanker

      The FBI didn’t interview him because he was “speaking Arabic” – nor were they called in because some panicky or hysterical passenger though he was a “terrorist”. The article mentions that this individual got in an involved “political” discussion. Ever consider that in doing such he PO’d or alarmed one or of the flight crew? I don’t suppose you have any personal experience as a crewmember, but I can tell you this much – crewmembers from EVERY airline AND any military airlift/transport crewmembers (USAF Air Mobility Command and their Army/Navy equivalents) are trained in identifying and PROFILING possible threats to safety. In the case of individuals who have aroused suspicion, the procedure is to have a crew member speak to the individual in a respectful manner to try to get an idea what’s going on. If the person is reasonably calm and cooperative, the crews don’t get too worked up. However, if the individual appears overly tense, nervous or exhibits any overt hostility to the crew, it send a red flag – and getting in a heated political discussion certainly wouldn’t help the issue. The pilot in command has, per FAA regulations, the right AND responsibility to remove ANY individual – passenger, other crewmember, whatever – if he or she in his/her professional judgement has concerns about that individual. That’s the way it rolls in the real world of flying…

      • loki asguardian

        then i’ll ask you this: would the same incident have occurred if he was a white guy speaking in French? Do you disagree there is a case of underlying racism in this incident?
        Equally, while I understand trained ‘profiling’, I do not believe that the practise is fair nor do I believe that it saves lives. Nervousness alone is not sufficient for a cop on the street to detain you because nervousness is a common response in the presence of an authority figure. Why should it be sufficient on an airplane? Nervousness can be a factor that contributes to the totality of circumstances by on its own does not equal probable cause. I believe that profiling can waste law enforcement’s time because it can tie up resources in witch hunts and wild goose chases.

        • lspanker

          then i’ll ask you this: would the same incident have occurred if he was a white guy speaking in French? Do you disagree there is a case of underlying racism in this incident?

          Once again, FOR THE READING COMPREHENSION IMPAIRED, he didn’t get booted from the flight for merely speaking Arabic. He got in a “complicated political discussion” which to most people sounds like an argument with the flight attendant. He was also reported by other sources to have used threatening language. Please don’t peddle the same nonsense when you have been corrected previously, as it only makes you look foolish,

          • loki asguardian

            Regarding the political discussion I would say that that is first amendment protected under any circumstances; regarding ‘violent’ speech it is context sensitive. Since you work for airlines, I understand that this might be triggering given that you do not want to perceived a racist for simply doing your job, which is following the guidelines set forth by the FAA and the airline company you work for. However, I also think that you are not considering how stressful it must be a someone of middle eastern decent to travel given the many cognitive biases that exist about their identity.

          • lspanker

            You’re clearly confused about a few things, so let me set you straight:

            The First Amendment in this country prohibits the GOVERNMENT from infringing on the free speech rights of others in an open forum. It does NOT provide any guarantee of a forum for such. A commercial airlines is NOT such a forum, and in fact making any type of threats against crewmembers or passengers is a federal crime – a little different from getting on a soapbox in the local park and spouting off your opinions to passers-by.

            Since you work for airlines

            I don’t work for any airline. I AM, however a former military crewmember who operated under similar conditions and dealt with similar issues, as well as a frequent flyer with about 800,000 miles so far in my life.

            However, I also think that you are not considering how stressful it must be a someone of middle eastern decent to travel

            Apparently you or Mr. Makhzoomi don’t realize how stressful it is for OTHER people to have to put up with an irate, confrontational, arrogant Middle Easterner only REINFORCING all the negative stereotypes associated with them by getting into a “complicated political discussion” and using threatening language. Hard to complain about how unfairly treated you are when you only reinforce what others believe about you already…

          • loki asguardian

            To your point about the first amendment I understand Millar v US and comstock law but I dont think they apply here.

            Nonetheless, i dont want to get into that because I believe we at a impasse. I think that you have certain cognitive biases– perhaps due to social privilege or perhaps due to your experience in the military– that are preventing you from considering that an incident of racism occurred. Denying that any racisms occurred would force you to reconsider many about the roles of the military and law enforcement in our society as well as force you to reconsider how some people in this country have social privileges which award them greater freedoms in this country.

            You on the other hand, likely see me as having cognitive biases which prevent me to see your point about general safety and the greater good of the passengers. I obviously disagree with you on this point but I respectfully dont think you will resolve this dispute. Thank you for taking the time to consider my points.

          • lspanker

            I think that you have certain cognitive biases– perhaps due to social privilege or perhaps due to your experience in the military– that are preventing you from considering that an incident of racism occurred.

            It has nothing to do with “cognitive biases” – its an understanding how things work in the REAL WORLD as opposed to some silly little unworkable Utopian construct where nobody is ever profiled, questioned, or gets their feelings hurt. Too many ignoramuses desperate to play the victim card scream “racism” any time something happens that their small minds can’t comprehend or digest.

          • loki asguardian

            Let me ask you two questions then: First are you white? and thats not meant as an ad hominem. Second question have you ever been profiled by law enforcement? Minorities in this country experience this on an almost daily basis. Based on law enforcement’s track record in this country; I have a hard time giving them the benefit of the doubt in cases like these. You can go ahead and respond with an other straw man argument; I’m not trying to convince you just planting a seed.

          • lspanker

            Yes and yes. Your point?

          • loki asguardian

            Well if you are white and got profiled, then on the one hand, that might be skewing your perception on how problematic racial profiling actually is(i.e. you are white and got profiled so you may over estimate how many whites get profiled compared to blacks, latinos, meddle easterners, etc leading you to think that racial profiling is exaggerated).

            On the other hand, as a white person you have certain privileges. Because the system benefits you, you may be bring up justifications to blame the victim in this case as unconsciously you are afraid of losing your privilege. It is an understandable and all too common reaction due in part because you didn’t have anything directly to do with the incident so you are afraid of being blamed(or feeling guilt), and also due in part to your not wanting to consider how you may be personally contributing to social injustice.

          • lspanker

            On the other hand, as a white person you have certain privileges.

            The only privilege I have has is having to earn higher grades and SAT scores than “people of color” to be accepted to Cal, paying higher taxes than about 80% of the people in the State of California, and being told that because I’m white I’m somehow responsible for all the failures, shortcomings, and personal issues of people with darker colored skin. I never owned slaves, I never practiced or advocated segregation – nor did my parents or even grandparents. Take your whining about “white privilege” and shove it.

          • loki asguardian

            Did Cal teach you the art of the straw man fallacy or did you learn that one all on your own? I never accused you of owning slaves…

            Fact: studies show that affirmative action accounts for less 10 percent of persons admitted to colleges in the US, while the majority of college students are still white. To paraphrase philosophy professor Maureen Linker, being mad about affirmative action would be like being mad that you cant find parking in a busy neighborhood and blame the problem on one handicap spot, while failing to consider that if the handicap spot didn’t exist, then someone else’s car would be there well before you showed up looking for parking. Furthermore, studies also show that persons of color are likelier to go to lower ranked high schools that do not teach college/SAT prep, and these schools offer less AP courses. Consequently, many persons of color have to work 4 times as hard as white kids to get into college(with or without affirmative action).

            Hate to burst your bubble dude but you have privilege.
            Privilege and fault or two different concepts. Having privilege doesn’t make you a racist , nor does it blame you for the unjust status quo.
            The statements you are making about persons of color on the other hand, are directly feeding the system of mass injustice that you deny exists mainly because that truth is inconvenient for you. Hopefully some day you’ll figure that out.

          • lspanker

            Hate to burst your bubble dude but you have privilege.

            Name one…

  • viking116

    His father was KILLED by Saddam Hussein. shouldn’t he be more appreciative of America?

    • Fox Patriot ✘

      Who cares about appreciation, just don’t perpetrate hoaxes.

  • Fox Patriot ✘

    He wrote this on April 4th:

    https://twitter.com/KhairyMakhzoomi/status/716862477338808320

    @KhairyMakhzoomi Apr 4

    F*** you #Trump

    https://t.co/5CEaUTLpQb

    Then two days later he LOUDLY calls Allah in Arabic on a plane, then
    accuses an ARABIC-SPEAKING employee of “Islamophobia” – almost as if he
    wanted to get booted out.

    Please. This is nothing but Ahmed The Hoax Bomb Kid redux. And apparently it worked because America is dumb.

    • Kimberly Gastauer

      I think most college age young people, living here in the US, have the very same posts on their Facebook pages. I would think it strange if a young Muslim man wasn’t upset about how his religion is inaccurately portrayed by uneducated people in this country and around the world.

      • Fox Patriot ✘

        You seem to suffer from some serious reading comprehension issues, so I’ll repeat.

        On April 4th he was enraged regarding a story about Muslims getting ejected from a plane.

        https://twitter.com/KhairyMakhzoomi/status/716862477338808320

        @KhairyMakhzoomi Apr 4

        F*** you #Trump
        https://t.co/5CEaUTLpQb

        Link is not to a “Facebook page” but to this: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-united-airlines-removes-muslim-family-met-20160401-story.html

        He blames Trump for some reason, not his coreligionists murdering thousands of people all across the globe *while loudly invoking Allah* http://www.thereligionofpeace.com and the climate of rational fear this worldwide Muslim terrorist butchery created.

        Then only *two days later* he does almost everything possible to get booted out of his flight: gets involved in a “political” discussion, LOUDLY calls Allah in Arabic knowing it will certainly be noticed by other passengers, then accuses an ARABIC-SPEAKING employee of “Islamophobia”.

        This was an engineered incident designed to make America look bad – just like in the case of Ahmed the Hoax Bomb kid.

        • Kimberly Gastauer

          The young Muslim boy who brought a scary clock to his school’s science fair, didn’t make America look bad. The disgusting, bigoted people who threatened him and his family with violence did that for us.

          • Fox Patriot ✘

            Silly. You are again pretending to misunderstand the issue here.

            “his school’s science fair”

            False. There was no science fair, no homework. He brought it on his own. He is on video admitting he was aware it could look suspicious. And he disregarded a warning from a professor to keep it away from view. Then he caused it to beep in his bag.

            And I bet you are also not aware that his sister made a false telephone bomb threat to that very same school – her school at the time – couple of years before.

            It’s amazing how uniformed you people are. And how ludicrously gullible.

          • Kimberly Gastauer

            You people!?! You can’t be serious? He made it beep in his bag- oh the horror!

          • Fox Patriot ✘

            Again. You have demonstrated that you are misinformed about the most basic facts of Ahmed the Hoax Bomb Kid’s case, so your opinions are kinda worthless.

            And here you are laughably denying that the fact that this guy tweeted on 4/4 blaming Trump for a Muslim family ejected from a plane IS A KINDA INTERESTING AND NEWSWORTHY FACT in relation to the story of him getting ejected from a plane only 2 days later after basically doing everything you would do if you WANTED to get ejected from a plane.

            So yeah. Enjoy your bubble of delusion.

          • Kimberly Gastauer

            If you don’t care to debate our differing opinions then move on. I’m sure you will have no problem finding other like minded people to discuss the problems of the world with.

          • Fox Patriot ✘

            “differing opinions” You are completely oblivious of the FACTS. Your opinions are neither here nor there; to me, opinions of someone who refuses to acknowledge facts of the case which are not in question are literally worthless.

          • JMP

            It’s always projection, isn’t it? Lying while accusing those who care about truth of being oblivious of facts. This one also kind of undermines their own attempted point with inability to keep to one set of talking points, varying between the “there’s no racism here!” defense of racism and being an open bigot screeching “bigotry against Muslims is OK!”.

            Also, it’s otherwise a commenter at the super-racist hate site Breitbart that pushes a lot of the lying right-wing memes, so you know nothing it says should be taken seriously.

          • lspanker

            It’s always projection, isn’t it?

            Well, YOU certainly project when you insist we support throwing him off the plane merely because he spoke Arabic, when I have made it QUITE CLEAR at least a dozen times here that I do NOT support such an action. I have simply pointed out that I have questions regarding the accuracy of his story, as certain critical details are being left out of the discussion. See, it’s clear you can’t make a reasoned argument based on what I actually STATED, so you keep playing the same tired old race card, because it’s all you know.

          • JMP

            Hahahaha. Aw, I wonder if the poor old dear actually thinks they’re making reasoned arguments, even as their pretense to rationality keeps on slipping? And yes, we can tell when you actually support an action and are hiding it under the “just asking questions” guise.

          • lspanker

            You try to make your point by insisting I supported some course of action when I made it quite clear I do not. You’re the fool here.

          • Kimberly Gastauer

            For opinions you consider worthless, you sure did spend a lot of time and energy on them. I am flattered! You could bolster some of your arguments if you would simply leave out the nasty comments. We know so little about the others commenting on any given topic, so it could only strengthen your case to leave out personal attacks. I find people will usually take your opinions more seriously that way. Good luck to ya!

          • JMP

            Hahahahha. Oh my, there’s still people trying to defend those racist administrators who suspend that poor kid for bringing a clock to class while brown? Really? Oh my. That’s simply ridiculous.

      • Fox Patriot ✘

        As for accuracy in presenting Islam, here you go, “educated” person.

        This is Muslim own historical writing (Hadith) regarding their so-called “prophet”:

        http://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad

        This is a website tracking Muslim terrorist atrocities worldwide: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

        Thousands of victims, Koran-justified violence. http://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/ISvsQuran.png

      • lspanker

        His religion is portrayed as it comes from the horses mouth, People have concerns about Islam because Muslims have given them those concerns by their thoughts and deeds.

        • Kimberly Gastauer

          I have a hard time grouping all Muslims together like that. I personally would not fit most stereotypes people wanted to label me, simply because of what I look like or where I live. I know many people do and I’ve made the mistake myself, many times. But I try not to do it with other groups, like African Americans, gay people, women, Republicans, Democrats, Christians- so I don’t do it with all Muslims either. Life would be simpler if everything was black or white, right or wrong, but that’s just not the world we live in.

        • JMP

          People have concerns about Christianity because Christians have given them those concerns by their thoughts and deeds.

          • lspanker

            How many Christians have set off suicide bombs, flown airplanes into buildings, executed gays, made death threats against cartoonists, and stoned people for blasphemy again?

  • taxpayer22

    His Allah never had a son. Guess who else never had a son.?

    • Contrarians

      Your mom.

  • dc3gal

    Khairuldeen, if you see this, I’m terribly sorry for what happened to you. I’m really ashamed of those who are falling for the fear mongering and causing such hate for something they don’t understand and not trying to. Good luck to you and it sounds like you are doing great things.

  • GoldenGloBeS

    i love all people. be kind to each other

  • jwclark

    We don’t know if the woman speaks Arabic either, or her name. In times like these where the fear of the public has been inflamed by government spokespeople, informing on your neighbor becomes very popular. Some of these informant types are even “teaching” in our schools.

    You ask, how could someone so stupid become a teacher? Well, it didn’t start with them. The curriculum and the ideas they perpetuate are just that, a perpetuation of something they got from their “teachers.” Read any of the books by John Taylor Gatto–just dismiss what he says about Plato who he either hasn’t read, or hasn’t understood. Our culture is a vast inheritance but its two major shoes, shoes that we walk in, are Greek and Hebrew–and if it weren’t for Plato we would all be in cultural wheel chairs or wear a prosthesis. JWC

  • William M Popper

    Welcome to the USA…

  • C.P. Spencer

    Quickly going to six figures, go figure.

  • dwss5

    Article quote 1:
    “When Makhzoomi hung up, he noticed a female passenger looking at him. Once he made eye contact with her, she got up and left her seat.”

    I take this to mean that this Makhzoomi may not have been as completely innocent as Maya Eliahou makes him out to be here.
    Many of us have no doubt witnessed young Middle Eastern males such as Makhzoomi intently staring at females or even continually turning their way to “make eye contact”, as part of hitting on them. Therefore, I think it’s entirely plausable that the female passenger got up to leave her seat because she had enough of Makhzoomi’s advances toward her.

    Article quote 2:
    “The conversation between Makhzoomi and the employee became complicated and political. The employee informed Makhzoomi that he was not allowed to return to the plane.”

    Do we REALLY know further details of this “complicated and political” conversation between Makhzoomi and the employee??
    For example, did Makhzoomi EVER mention hot-button political issues within the conversation such as ISIS (its ongoing recruitment tactics and its deadly attacks as reported in the news), the Shiite vs Sunni divide in Islam, the imposition of Shari’a Law and dhimmitude onto non-Islamic communities worldwide, the ongoing situations in Syria and Makhzoomi’s Iraq, or even the completely unrelated subject invariably dragged into such conversations of the role of those “dithpicable” Israelis??

    • lspanker

      Many of us have no doubt witnessed young Middle Eastern males such as Makhzoomi intently staring at females or even continually turning their way to “make eye contact”, as part of hitting on them.

      Young Middle Eastern males don’t take kindly to being admonished by women in positions of authority, which I have seen results in some rather animated verbal abuse directed towards the woman. Again, I don’t say I know for sure, but I’m willing to bet that the call to the FBI wasn’t due to him speaking Arabic but some exchange with the flight attendant, many who don’t take kindly to having their own authority challenged.

    • Shakira Graham

      Or once he made eye contact she freaked out and went to tell the Flight Attendant.

    • Fox Patriot ✘

      Just read the guy’s twitter feed, all will be clear: https://twitter.com/KhairyMakhzoomi/status/716862477338808320

      That’s 2 days before he engineered to be ejected so that “Islamophobia” narrative can get plastered over the pages of NYT, Al-Qu’ardian and similar rags.

  • Anthony A

    “America is still mostly xenophobic and racist. That’s the nature of America, I think.” – Jerry Garcia

    • Fox Patriot ✘

      Why do Muslims want to come to America then? Are they insane?

    • lspanker

      Yet Muslims and apparently everyone else want to come in here, even to the point of doing it illegally. Ever thought that maybe America is not such a terrible place after all, or would that simply run counter to your own worldview?

  • I guess speaking arabic is now enough to get one detained :(

    • Fox Patriot ✘

      No, this guy did a lot more. He wanted to get booted out.

  • progressive53

    Ignorance of the world and other cultures has no limits…

    • Fox Patriot ✘

      Here’s some facts for you: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

    • lspanker

      Ignorance of FAA regulations and how to conduct yourself on an airplane has no limits either. You don’t get into “complicated political discussions” with a crew member who has the power and authority to kick you off the flight – and that goes for anyone, whether you consider yourself liberal, conservative, or anything else…

  • LutherZBlissett

    Let May 1st be the day that everybody gets really uncomfortable about that pasty, sweaty white middle-aged guy with a seat in business class (remember, the 9/11 hijackers were in business class) who has weird stuff on his laptop.

  • dwss5

    Article quote 1:
    “When Makhzoomi hung up, he noticed a female passenger looking at him. Once he made eye contact with her, she got up and left her seat.”

    I take this to mean that this Makhzoomi may not have been as completely innocent as Maya Eliahou makes him out to be here.
    Many of us have no doubt witnessed young Middle Eastern males such as Mahzoomi intently staring at females or even continually turning their way to “make eye contact”, as part of hitting on them. Therefore, I think it’s entirely plausable that the female passenger got up to leave her seat because she had enough of Makhzoomi’s advances toward her.

    Article quote 2:
    “The conversation between Makhzoomi and the employee became complicated and political. The employee informed Makhzoomi that he was not allowed to return to the plane.”

    Do we REALLY know further details of this “complicated and political” conversation between Makhzoomi and the employee??
    For example, did Makhzoomi EVER mention hot-button political issues within the conversation such as ISIS (its ongoing recruitment tactics and its deadly attacks as reported in the news), the Shiite vs Sunni divide in Islam, the imposition of Shari’a Law and dhimmitude onto non-Islamic communities worldwide, the ongoing situations in Syria and Makhzoomi’s Iraq, or even the completely unrelated subject invariably dragged into such conversations of the role of those “dithpicable” Israelis??

    (You may now flag this this comment down before I resubmit it once again to THIS particular publication)

  • Janet Winter

    Southwest’s statement, “Southwest neither condones nor tolerates discrimination of any kind.” Except that’s exactly what they did.

  • rmk

    What a shame. I agree with “I think Makhzoomi’s should sue!”, I would for sure.

    • Fox Patriot ✘

      Let him. Southwest only needs to introduce his twitter feed as evidence.

  • Jude

    I just sent an email to Southwest Customer Service saying that I was astounded by what I had read. I read the comment below from the seat-mate of the woman who reported him. What I consider outrageous was the panicky, irrational response of the flight crew, airline employees, and police, and the FBI (!?) I agree completely with the comment that it is not a crime to spead a foreign language. Mr. Makhzoomi is owed a HUGE apology, and Southwest should apologize to the flying public for showing such poor judgement.

    • Fox Patriot ✘

      “at it is not a crime to spead a foreign language.”

      Much more happened here. Read about the case. Basically he wanted to get ejected.

      • viking116

        There are a number of instances of Muslims acting in ways to deliberately worry flight crews and other passengers–with an eye toward suing. Goes along with “making a clock” from Radio Shack parts and assembled deliberately with wires hanging out of a case so your family can sue and you can be invited to the White House.

        • Fox Patriot ✘

          Exactly. Have you seen the tweet I discovered on his feed?

          https://twitter.com/KhairyMakh

          @KhairyMakhzoomi Apr 4

          F*** you #Trump

          https://t.co/5CEaUTLpQb

          So he is enraged about MUSLIMS GETTING EJECTED FROM A PLANE and blames Trump.

          Then two days later he LOUDLY calls on Allah in Arabic *on a plane*, then accuses an ARABIC-SPEAKING employee of “Islamophobia” – almost as if he wanted to get booted out.

  • I’m glad they are finally profiling again. Good job Obama.

  • dwss5

    Article quote 1:
    “When Makhzoomi hung up, he noticed a female passenger looking at him. Once he made eye contact with her, she got up and left her seat.”

    I take this to mean that this Makhzoomi may not have been as completely innocent as Maya Eliahou makes him out to be here.
    Many of us have no doubt witnessed young Middle Eastern males such as Mahzoomi intently staring at females or even continually turning their way to “make eye contact”, as part of hitting on them. Therefore, I think it’s entirely plausable that the female passenger got up to leave her seat because she had enough of Makhzoomi’s advances toward her.

    Article quote 2:
    “The conversation between Makhzoomi and the employee became complicated and political. The employee informed Makhzoomi that he was not allowed to return to the plane.”

    Do we REALLY know further details of this “complicated and political” conversation between Makhzoomi and the employee??
    For example, did Makhzoomi EVER mention hot-button political issues within the conversation such as ISIS (its ongoing recruitment tactics and its deadly attacks as reported in the news), the Shiite vs Sunni divide in Islam, the imposition of Shari’a Law and dhimmitude onto non-Islamic communities worldwide, the ongoing situations in Syria and Makhzoomi’s Iraq, or even the completely unrelated subject invariably dragged into such conversations of the role of those “dithpicable” Israelis??

  • D4tune

    So it’s trump’s fault that barbaric muslims are killing people? Bs. If you aren’t muslim and you’re defending them you’re just stupid. ….

  • arty

    The police used enhance padding on me once felt repulsed by it. I think they aren’t been add equality trained on how and when to used such invasion of peoples bodies. In most cases is unnecessary.

    • viking116

      “Patting.” Of course, if the person is not carrying anything dangerous, it is unnecessary. But that can only be determined by doing it!

  • dwss5

    Article quote 1:
    “When Makhzoomi hung up, he noticed a female passenger looking at him. Once he made eye contact with her, she got up and left her seat.”

    I take this to to mean that this Makhzoomi wasn’t all that innocent as he claims to be. Many of us can readily relate our experiences that when young Middle Eastern males stare at females or even continue to turn their way to supposedly “make eye contact” with them, it is often taken as a clear sign that these men are trying to hit on them.
    This particular female passenger could very well have gotten a bit ticked off at Makhzoomi’s unwelcome advances here.

    Article quote 2:

    The conversation between Makhzoomi and the employee became complicated and political. The employee informed Makhzoomi that he was not allowed to return to the plane.

    Do we REALLY know the further details of this conversation between Makhzoomi and the employee,
    and how it “became complicated and political”??
    Were there any mentionings here of hot-button political issues such as ISIS (its ongoing recruitment tactics or actual past attacks as reported in the news), the imposition of Sharia Law and dhimmitude amidst non-Islamic communities worldwide, the Shia vs Sunni differences in Islam, the situations in Syria and in Makhzoomi’s Iraq, or even the completely unrelated subject that’s often dragged in of how “dithpicable” those Israelis always seem to be??

    • Jonathan Chavez

      Nice strawman argument. And perhaps the moon is made out of cheese. The fact he needs to worry about hot button political issues IS THE PROBLEM. Racially profiling, misunderstanding a language, all fed to us by our dear media peddling politically divisive rhetoric in an election year, in order to scare people. And you think its alright. You think that depending on if he said “are you accusing me of being ISIS or something?” that THAT makes it ok. You are part of the problem. You’ve drank the stupid Kool-Aid. Obviously.

      • viking116

        Hmmm. Most of the recent terror events involved an Arabic phrase prior to the action.

        • dwss5

          viking116 wrote:
          “Hmmm. Most of the recent terror events involved an Arabic phrase prior to the action.”

          Yep, and Thank GD (a.k.a. for some, Thank Allah) that Southwest Airlines was right on the ball to lookout for even the THREAT of a serious disturbance or planned terrorist attack!

  • CarolunS

    I even say ‘inshallah’ myself with the meaning basically ‘if God wills’ or ‘Hopefully.’ I picked this up in Turkey and it’s what you say if you are talking about something that is going to happen. It’s a little arrogant to say ‘I am going to get the job’ and better to say ‘God willing, I will get the job.’ So I could say this on the phone myself However as an elderly white woman, probably no one is going to get me kicked off the plane for it.

    • viking116

      NO elderly white women have committed acts of terror–yet.

  • joz molody

    I don’t care what happened. Anything that is suspicious in any way should be investigated before a flight takes off REGARDLESS of political correctness or how massive of a burden him and his family with special needs brother have been on American taxpayers.
    If Iraq will always be your home…GO HOME and take your entire taxpayer freeloading family with you!!!!

  • Fred Werner

    And to everyone commenting here in defense of the flight crew’s decision to remove him from the plane: how do you justify Southwest’s refusal to put him on a later flight AFTER airport security AND the FBI determined he wasn’t a threat?

    • viking116

      We need to know more about his actions toward flight crew personnel before we make a decision. It simply isn’t fair otherwise.

      • Its actually about ethics in gaming journalism.

    • lspanker

      My experience is that if they know they made a genuine mistake and want to keep your business, they would prefer to put you on another flight so they don’t have to issue a refund. The fact that they DID refund his fare but did NOT put him on another flight means that he is now persona non grata on their airline – not because they believe he’s a terrorist, but because he did something to seriously P.O. the crew.

    • Bond Summers

      Because the a business has that right to refuse service to someone it has had a negative experience with, of any sort.

  • alex smythe

    There is just too too much in this story : dead relatives ,the shah ,disabled family. It reads like a tv script. It was a setup for publicity.

    • Shakira Graham

      You can’t even get the right country, the Shah was Iran. He is from Iraq…

    • Fox Patriot ✘

      Read his twitter feed: https://twitter.com/KhairyMakhzoomi/status/716862477338808320

      So TWO DAYS BEFORE he gets ejected – after basically begging for it – he says “F Trump” in relation to a story of Muslims getting ejected from a plane.

      Please. Hoax Bomb Kid was an amateur in comparison.

  • Halmartin Brown

    A “less than positive experience” on their airline, really? It was a decidedly negative experience. Kudos to Khairuldeen Makhzoomi for saying he won’t ask for money. Given his treatment and what he was forced to go through, and Southwest’s “non-apology” I hope he rethinks this. I think he should sue for damages and whatever else a good lawyer can come up with. The evidence is right there. I would hope for an award in the low millions, AT LEAST. http://halbrown.org

  • patrick1425

    “The Arabs are one of the least developed cultures. They are typically nomads. Their culture is primitive, and they resent Israel because it’s the sole beachhead of modern science and civilization on their continent. When you have civilized men fighting savages, you support the civilized men, no matter who they are.”

    –Ayn Rand, from her Ford Hall Forum lecture at Suffolk University, Boston, Oct. 20, 1974. Text published on the website of The Ayn Rand Institute, http://www.aynrand.org

  • patrick1425

    “There is no such thing as moderate or liberal Islam. The West is on the road to sharia….Against people who are ready to die in the cause of destroying freedom, people who are not willing to speak up for freedom or fear of being called a racist or Islamophobe don’t stand much chance of victory.”

    –Bruce Bawer. “Surrender: Appeasing Islam, Sacrificing Freedom,” New York: Doubleday, 2009.

  • Ron

    This is not a Southwest Problem, this is a caucasian problem.

    • viking116

      Bet some of the TSA personnel were non-Caucasian. And bet yours is a racist attitude.

  • L C FOXSMITH

    The fact that seems to be overlooked by a few people commenting here is that he was investigated by the FBI at the airport and they found he had done nothing wrong. Let’s dwell on that fact for a moment. He did nothing wrong other than speak a different language and maybe try to defend himself when questioned; something I think most of us would have done if we found ourselves in the same situation.

    The passenger overheard a different language and automatically made a connection to a specific religion – Islam – and then to the extremists within it. This is the effect the terrorists are having on people now and the frequency of similar events appears to be on the increase. The media is exploiting the fear felt by many and drip feeding both sides with stories that encourage unhealthy views and actions. We can see this here as some people are immediately blamed Khairuldeen Makhzoomi for getting kicked off the plane, but again, he did nothing wrong and was cleared of any doubt or suspicion.

    Just to make my stance clear, I am totally against all religions, how they infect society and the power they can hold over people, and here we have another example of how religion is taking us on a destructive course.

    • lspanker

      The fact that seems to be overlooked by a few people commenting here is that he was investigated by the FBI at the airport and they found he had done nothing wrong.

      Actually, he DID do something wrong. He got into an argument with the flight crew and made threatening remarks.

  • susan

    The Irish have no worries about getting thrown off a plane. They arrive at their assigned seat so drunk that they cannot speak.

  • susan

    BLAME BUSH !

  • Kurt VanderKoi

    Enough with multiculturalism. This is the USA. English is spoken here.

  • So, according to Southwest Airlines, wishing someone peace is a “potentially threatening comment” — if you do it in the wrong language.

    I used to patronize an Iranian grocery store in my neighborhood, and the proprietor was one of the most charming men I’ve ever met, who would wish me “Inshallah” when I came in. At first, he was a little apologetic and hoped I wouldn’t be offended; I just told him I certainly was not going to be offended by someone wishing me blessings.

    As for the woman who reported him — I can only wish her all the joy she deserves.

    • Wishing someone peace? You do know that salam mean peace in arabpig, don’t you? Salam sounds nothing like inch’allah.

  • allamericanguy

    #southwestair should remove the heart from its planes and replace with a dark person with a red slash through him/her

    • viking116

      Plenty of patriotic African Americans work for #southwestair.

      • allamericanguy

        That is their shame not mine. #southwestairphohia

        • lspanker

          Only in the mind of a nutcase PC lefty does having common sense constitute grounds for shame…

  • smintheus

    He should sue the airline, and pursue a complaint with the FBI to ensure that the agents who mistreated him are either discipline or fired. That is the best way to ensure that fewer people in the future will be treated so abysmally.

  • Bobloblaw67

    I’m sure this isn’t the whole story.

    • Hastert

      Correct. There were racial conversations by security an the FBI that would make anyone but the biggest angry white Fox fan blush.

      • fedupmd

        You need medication dude. Hate to be stuck with you in a waiting room for 5 minutes.

  • a hengersajtra kikerült a pend

    I guess he just was a “loyal Southwest premier rewards member”.

  • So Serious

    Welcome the Bibi’s America. Racial profiling is a fundamental part of airport security in Israel and airlines around the world have been hiring Israeli consultants to help them increase their security.

    http://www.haaretz.com/in-israel-racial-profiling-doesn-t-warrant-debate-or-apologies-1.261075

    • Bobloblaw67

      They don’t do racial profiling in Israel you buffoon.

      • Hastert

        They most certainly do. That’s about all they do on flights.

        • viking116

          Nope. 1/5 of Israel is non-Jewish, mostly Muslim. Many of the Jews (the majority) are Arabic Jews physically indistinguishable from other Arabs and many are from Ethiopia. So how WOULD racial profiling work there?

          But on the other hand, you seem to be 100% anti-Israeli and antiSemite.

        • lspanker

          And you know that from your travels to Israel, correct? I’m just curious because I have flown in an out of Tel-Aviv Lod and noted nothing of the kind.

          • 42p0ner

            That’s because you’re not a darkie. Oy vey

          • lspanker

            I see you have never been to Israel either.

          • 42p0ner

            I see you’re just a pale skinned individual

          • lspanker

            I see you avoided answering my question.

          • 42p0ner

            Oy vey

  • Michael Feeley

    Welcome to Donald Trump’s and Ted Cruz’s America.

    • Bobloblaw67

      No it was California. More like Barbara Boxers America

      • Aril

        Nice try Troll

    • Rich French

      Welcome to the US as headed by Obama. Fixed it for you.

      • EmmyG

        Sadly, they’re both true.

      • 42p0ner

        Great point, Rich.
        I’m sure Trump and Cruz appreciate Michael’s vote of confidence, though.

      • ORHS73

        Wait. Obama is in charge of Southwest Airlines? Who knew?

    • Robadude32

      Welcome to comments FROM A-HOLES!!!!!!

    • Anti-Stupid

      Like it’s EVER been different. America has ALWAYS, all its tiny history, has been a refuge for racists, nazis and other scumbags who have long been eliminated in all other countries.

      • Kobrowsky Podzwodzy Skrapomspy

        You forgot to say South. South America.

      • lspanker

        The fact that we haven’t heard the other side of the story doesn’t stop you from making blanket accusations, does it?

      • lspanker

        You don’t get abroad much, do you?

    • jwclark

      And all the rest of both parties who habitually sign on for these foreign wars of oppression, “elective wars” Bush II called them, and who signed the Patriot Act and the NDAA, both of which have extra-Constitutional clauses limiting or eliminating our natural rights! These attacks upon the Constitution are completely Bi-Partisan!
      So, why limit this to two Republican candidates? That doesn’t make sense and makes me think that Michael Feeley along with many many others still believes that our election system is functional, despite all the evidence, and that the United States was not taken over in a coup sometime before 1963.
      You party partisans better wake up before the Bill of Rights becomes in the public mind completely Orwellian and in which mind War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Conscience means giving over my mind to the dictates of the State and the Thought Police. Goodness! JWC

    • lspanker

      Funny how they have so much power and have never been elected. What has that Obama guy been doing for the last 7+ years again?

      • JMP

        “That Obama guy” has been the President and doing a really good job at it, best of my lifetime by far.

        • lbjack

          Let’s see, that would make you about 16. Very deep.

        • lspanker

          Tell that to the tens of millions who are unemployed but not counted because the Department of Labor games the unemployment statistics.

          • JMP

            Hahahhaha. Oh, so now it’s insane conspiracy theory time! Yeah no, that’s not actually happening.

  • Franklin Kat

    I think Makhzoomi’s should sue! If he doesn’t want the money, he can give it to charity. That woman should be sued as well.

    I just think that there must be consequences for Southwest. I’m outraged.

    • diogenes

      I think I’ll put Southwest on my don’t fly list, along with Delta.

      • dwss5

        diogenes wrote:”I think I’ll put Southwest on my don’t fly list, along with Delta.”

        OTOH, and perhaps as a surprise for many commentators here, some people would actually rather CHOOSE to fly with Southwest Airlines now, seeing as Southwest was certainly vigilant — perhaps even over-vigilant — through their keen desire to maintain High Security on their airline!

        • Ford

          Cows have killed more people than terrorists in the USA over the last decade. We could probably save more lives by clamping down on the freedoms of ranchers to handle their livestock as they please than we could by treating Islamic people like scum. So what is the reason that you would think that treating Islamic people like scum is a better security choice?

          • Kobrowsky Podzwodzy Skrapomspy

            Stop trying to instigate cowism among people. The next time I see a cow escorted off a plane, I’m blaming you!

          • Poonam Srivastava

            bwahahaha
            thanks for that

          • lspanker

            Cows have killed more people than terrorists in the USA over the last decade.

            How about the decade before that?

          • Bond Summers

            How many people have been killed by cows?

          • Ford

            Cows kill about 20 per year according to the CDC. By comparison, since 9/11 there have been 45 people killed by Islamic terrorists and 48 people killed by non-Islamic terrorists on the far right (racially or religiously motivated). So about 3 per year from each source.

            If you go back two decades instead of one (including 9/11) then that adds almost three thousand to number of deaths from Islamic terror. So there is always the possibility of something larger. In that case cows aren’t as dangerous as the terrorists, but deer are. Deer have killed almost 3,000 people in the USA during that same time period, mostly from standing in the road and causing car accidents. If you go back even more decades than two then it is without question that deer have killed many more Americans than Islamic terrorists.

            So: still wondering why we should consider Islamic terrorism to be a bigger threat than things that kill more of us (like deer). Is there a logical/non-racist reason for it?

          • Professor S Freeman

            Are cows and deer attempting to acquire WEAPONS OF MASS
            DISTRUCTION?

          • Ford

            Ah, the “despite the best efforts of terrorists they have failed to kill as many of us as deer, but maybe it will be different in the future because they will get better weapons” argument. Maybe so, and if that happens it certainly changes things, but this seems unrelated to the topic under discussion to me. I don’t see how kicking people off planes because of the language they speak or doing most of the other things that are being proposed on the right is going to help prevent this. Stripping their rights in these ways might potentially avert the types of conventional attacks we have seen so far. But I don’t see how it stops WMDs from devastating a city.

          • beaminup

            It was not because of the language spoken. The other passenger was an Arabic speaker. She perceived threatening language from Makhzoomi http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2016/04/southwest-airlines-provides-new-details-on-college-student-removed-from-plane-after-speaking-arabic.html/

          • Professor S Freeman

            Ford’s Question: “So: still wondering why we should consider Islamic terrorism to be a bigger threat than things that kill more of us (like deer). Is there a logical/non-racist reason for it?”

            Freeman’s Answer: “Are cows and deer attempting to acquire WEAPONS OF MASS DISTRUCTION?”

          • beaminup

            I would like to see the progression. Under Bush the only Terrorist attacks carried out on US soil was on 9/11. Recently we have had the Boston Bomber, the San Bernardino shooting, and ISIS threatening to attack on our soil. In fact the San Bernardino shooters were, I believe the first to claim support for ISIS. The frequency, of events are increasing. So, yes, it is a valid question to be concerned about, and not perhaps as trivial as you make it out to be.

          • lspanker

            So: still wondering why we should consider Islamic terrorism to be a bigger threat than things that kill more of us (like deer).

            I don’t fear Muslim terrorists running across the highway when I’m driving down some country road in the middle of the night. But then again, I can’t remember the last time a deer hijacked an airplane or set off an IED. Try not to be so silly.

          • Observe_Wonder

            Muslim, not Islamic. LOL, they may get offended there is also Islamists. subtle differences.

          • beaminup

            1400 years 270 Million people killed by Islamic Jihadists. Almost the entire population of the USA. You were saying?

          • Ford

            First, that’s a bogus number. See a discussion here: (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/39361_Fact-Checking_Pamela_Geller-_270_Million_Victims_of_Islam/comments/#ctop).

            Secondly, of course hundreds of years ago there was more violence. You may have noticed that Christians were much more violent as well. And clearly outside of the USA there are parts of the world today where the violence is much greater and more serious.

            I hope it is clear that I was not speaking about any of this. I was speaking about the threats that face us today, and here, in the USA – the kind that that people react to in ways like what is described in this article. If threat A kills a certain number of Americans per year and threat B kills a similar number of Americans per year I still do not see a reason to react strongly, revoke civil rights, etc, to threat A but not to threat B just because threat A is from terrorism and threat B is from something mundane that is ignored by the vast majority of people. To me that’s an emotional reaction, not a logical one.

        • Kevin R. Cross

          Not vigilant. Racist.

        • Lordwhorfin

          Yeah, no, not so much. Daddy Trump will keep you safe, I guess.

      • Good for you. I’ll put it on my do fly list. Sounds like it’s an airline that would be safer than most.

        • trudyjh

          Unless of course, some idiot doesn’t like the way you look, Gary, or thinks she heard you say something threatening in a language she doesn’t speak, and the employees are morons too.

        • Chuck

          Doing stupid stuff does not make them safer. Given your avatar – scary red beard! – southwest may be removing you off your next flight.

          • Looks like someone’s already separated your head from your body.

        • Lordwhorfin

          Whatevs, you scared child.

          • Better safe than sorry.

          • Poonam Srivastava

            shut up and wear your diapers

          • Don’t soil your panties, Poo-nam.

      • VF

        Delta is the airline that eventually flew Mr. Makhzoomi to his destination.

      • lspanker

        I will keep flying with both of them as appropriate. I have over 400K miles with Delta, and see no need to switch merely because hypersensitive people scream “racist” any time they don’t understand anything.

    • Halmartin Brown

      I said the same in my post. Of course if and when he wins, it would be up to him what to do with the award after his lawyers were paid. I wouldn’t hold it against it if he kept a couple of million for himself and his family.

    • Rod

      It’s just a cultural misunderstanding: in the US, money and an apology are the same thing, unlike in the rest of the world…

    • Makhzoomi’s what?

    • Bond Summers

      No that woman did the right thing. She apparently understood him say ‘martyr’ and ‘god willing’ in Arabic, on a plane about to depart. Given the reputation of Arabs with terrorism, it was a fair call. Better safe than sorry.

    • beaminup

      The guy won’t even talk to Southwest although they have tried. The woman passenger was Arabic speaking and perceived threatening language. http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2016/04/southwest-airlines-provides-new-details-on-college-student-removed-from-plane-after-speaking-arabic.html/

  • ShadrachSmith

    Does he feel any guilt for Jihad?

  • Sandy

    I have a question: is “shahid” a well known Arabic word? If not, does this imply that the woman who allegedly reported Mr. Makhzoomi is also an Arabic speaker?

    • Nathan Smith

      As a former student of Arabic, I can try to answer. “shahid” means to see or witness something. The noun of this, shaheed, translates to martyr.

      My guess is that the woman probably *thought* she heard a scary word that she’d seen or heard before. Like when she heard the word “inshallah,” which is basically used every two seconds by Arabic speakers to mean “hopefully,” she probably heard the word “allah” (the Arabic word for God) and freaked out.

      • Sandy

        thank you!

      • lspanker

        Literal translation is “Allah willing” or “God willing”. Yeah, I have heard that phrase zillions of times and don’t associate it with terrorist acts. As I stated before, there’s more to this story than the alleged victim admits.

        • Nathan Smith

          Yes, the literal translation is God willing, but as I said, it is used very frequently in casual conversation to signify hope for something.

          You have zero evidence to your claim that there’s more to this story, perhaps except your fevered imagination.

          • lspanker

            You have zero evidence to your claim that there’s more to this story, perhaps except your fevered imagination.

            I may have “zero evidence” but with nearly 800,000 civilian air miles in my lifetime, 1.1 million miles on military cargo aircraft, and having spent time as an aircrew member when I was younger, I have a fairly good idea what this is likely to be, which in all likelihood was a p!ssing contest between a college student with an entitlement mentality and a senior flight attendant – and like it or not, the FA usually wins these type of encounters, given that all she has to do is ask the pilot in command (who by low has final authority over his aircraft) for the green light to have an uncooperative passenger removed.

          • Nathan Smith

            Just so we’re clear, you have zero evidence.

            Have a nice day.

          • lspanker

            Just so we’re clear, you have zero evidence.

            Just as all you have is the claim of the supposed victim.

          • Nathan Smith

            Which is a lot more evidence than you have.

          • lspanker

            Let’s see what happens when all the facts come in. I’m willing to bet you the real story is far closer to a head-butting contest between two strong-willed individuals than some poor college student getting kicked off the place for speaking Arabic.

          • Nathan Smith

            Yes, and when those facts come in, you’ll be nowhere to be found.

            I know your type. Enjoy your trolling and support for racial profiling. Done with you.

          • lspanker

            Yes, and when those facts come in, you’ll be nowhere to be found.

            I’ll be here.

            I know your type. Enjoy your trolling and support for racial profiling.

            You still peddle these accusations of “racial profiling” when I have suggested nothing of the sort. Typical lefty – thanks for proving my point.

          • Billyjoeray

            Don’t feed the troll.

          • lspanker

            You’re the biggest troll here, calling other people “bigots” before finding out the facts.

          • tasteless chap

            Why is he a “supposed victim”? He most certainly was kicked off of a plane, right? It was due to another passenger freaking out because he spoke Arabic, right? The security forces were called and he was kicked off the plane, right? Where’s the “supposed” in that scenario?

          • lspanker

            I call him a “supposed victim” because we really don’t know the whole story of why he got kicked off the place. Excuse me, but I have spent enough time flying on commercial airliners (about 800,000 miles per my estimate from various frequent flyer memberships) that I have seen incidents like this before, and it seems when they happened, the person removed from the flight never seems to think that he or she did anything to contribute to the problem – they were just minding their own business and the airline just kicked them off for no reason at all. Personally, I can think of a number of scenarios, as I have stated elsewhere: an entitled college student vs. a senior flight attendant, an individual from a culture that’s not known for its high regard of women getting incensed that a woman tells him what to do, Southwest flight attendant’s well-known use of humor to single out an individual breaking the rules which is usually taken in good spirits by the offending party but sometimes not – I’m not saying that any of those are definitely the reason either BUT there are a number of potential facts that any REAL journalist would wish to investigate before jumping to the conclusion that this individual was some poor soul targeted by a bunch of racist flight attendants.

          • tasteless chap

            True, we do not have enough details to connect all the dots in this story, but you cannot ignore several dots to come up with a completely different picture. And in the process, you seem very willing to impugn his character, while ignoring the hypersensitivity of the woman who ignited all of this. You postulate that the flight attendant likely used humor which may have been misinterpreted, and cast the “victim” as “entitled” without any supporting evidence. Your bias is clear.

          • Bond Summers

            your bias is clear in not putting together conditions of suspicion.

          • tasteless chap

            OK, thank you.

          • JMP

            We know why he got kicked of the plane: because he had the audacity to be brown and speak his native language while sitting next to a racist moron.

          • FakeGuest

            The flight was from LAX to OAK, we can safely assume the passengers were a diverse group.

          • Bond Summers

            It’s what he said in his phone conversation as understood by the lady which caused the main suspicion.

          • typewriterjournalist

            That’s the reality of blogger crappo “journalism” Nobody does research, checks anything or asks hard questions of anybody. Everybody hated newspapers so much, this kind of stuff would be less likely there Most editors would send the reporter back to get more information, demand documents, interview other passengers before this went.

          • Yes, you do have ZERO evidence.

          • dwss5

            lspanker wrote:

            … I have a fairly good idea what this is likely to be, which in all likelihood was a p!ssing contest between a college student with an entitlement mentality and a senior flight attendant – and like it or not, the FA usually wins these type of encounters, given that all she has to do is ask the pilot in command (who by law has final authority over his aircraft) for the green light to have an uncooperative passenger removed.

            I think so too.
            Note that the article itself brings these two pertinent quotes.
            Quote 1:
            “When Makhzoomi hung up, he noticed a female passenger looking at him. Once he made eye contact with her, she got up and left her seat.”

            I take this to to mean that this Makhzoomi wasn’t all that innocent as he claims to be, when he so-called “made eye contact with her”. Many of us can readily perceive that when young Middle Eastern males stare at females or even keep turning their way, it is often taken as a clear sign that these men are trying to hit on them. This particular female passenger could very well have gotten a bit ticked off on Makhzoomi’s unwelcome advances here.

            Quote 2:

            The conversation between Makhzoomi and the employee became complicated and political. The employee informed Makhzoomi that he was not allowed to return to the plane.

            Do we really know the further details of this conversation between Makhzoomi and the employee, and how it “became complicated and political”????
            Were there any mentionings here of hot-button political issues such as ISIS (its recruiting and actual attacks), the imposition of Sharia Law in non-Islam communities worldwide, the situation in Syria, the Shia vs Sunni differences in Islam, or even the unrelated subject of how despicable those Israelis always seem to be??

          • typewriterjournalist

            Perhaps more likely, but you still have ZERO evidence for your theory also

          • lspanker

            Never claimed to have evidence, just pointing out what would seem to be a more plausible explanation, given it appears that many people here have little or no experience with flying or dealing with aircrew members on a daily basis.

          • JMP

            Um, a completely insane and obviously false explanation is not “more plausible”, in fact it is the complete opposite.

          • lspanker

            And you’re speaking from your extensive flying experience, correct? I sat down some time ago and figured out that I have spent about an entire year (roughly 2% of my life so far) in airplanes in some capacity or another. Such experience has allowed me to learn a few things about how airlines work – how to deal with issues, how to get favored treatment, and what to avoid doing if you want to keep on good terms with people who have the power to make your travel experience either reasonably tolerable or completely miserable. If you think you know better, fine – do it your way. Doesn’t bother me a bit…

          • JMP

            Yes yes, you claim to be an expert with all your flying experience as you talk down to everyone who is willing to admit the obvious instead of go along with your imaginary stories to defend racism. You may think that if you claim expertise then people will believe you know you’re talking about, but guess what, it’s pretty obvious that you are actually just making this up.

          • lspanker

            Yes yes, you claim to be an expert with all your flying experience as you talk down to everyone who is willing to admit the obvious instead of go along with your imaginary stories to defend racism BLAHBLAHBLAH…

            Get it through your thick skull – I’m not defending racism. If such as you claim really DID happen, then yes, the aircrew should be disciplined. I’m merely stating that based on my own knowledge, training, and experience in this area, I’m willing to bet it didn’t go down the way this individual claimed it did. See, one of the benefits about being out in the real world, instead of merely “learning” everything you know by letting some shrill militant activist fill your skull full of what Samuel Clemens famously called “things that ain’t necessarily so” is you learn how things really work out in real life. I will repeat my claim that it is extremely unlikely that he was kicked off the plane for speaking Arabic, or because some woman wrongly accused him of being a terrorist. I submit with a high level of confidence, based on my own training and personal experience, that his removal from the flight was based on his verbal interaction with one or more aircrew members who relayed their concern to the Pilot In Command.

          • JMP

            You’re not defending racism, really? Then why the rush to deny its’ existence, even in a case like this where it is obvious? And it’s not like other people haven’t seen this before – every single time there’s a story about racism, the defenders of racism rush in to claim that somehow in this case, there really is no racism. And you always claim that it’s simply based on the facts of this individual case – even though somehow those facts are always twisted to come out and support the same preexisting conclusion, that there actually was no racism, no matter how obvious the racism is.

            In other words, I know you are not arguing in good faith. You are claiming to be an expert in the area and looking at the facts of the case when you in fact don’t care at all about the facts; you just want to defend racism by denying its’ existence, trying to make the world safe for racism by shutting down discussion of racism. And no amount of obnoxious condescension and talking down to people who know better than you is going to hide the fact that you are lying and have no clue what you are talking about.

            Guess what, some of us actually live out in the real wold and can tell when we’re dealing with someone who is full of BS.

          • lspanker

            You’re not defending racism, really? Then why the rush to deny its’ existence, even in a case like this where it is obvious?

            It’s not “obvious” because nobody here knows what transpired during his ill-considered and totally unnecessary “complicated political discussion” with the flight attendant. He was in no position to argue with an on-duty crewmember about politics, airline policy, whether he got his fair share of peanuts and pretzels or anything else.

          • JMP

            So then, you just make all that up to try and justify the racism shown by Southwest and the authorities. Nor do you actually care – the important part is reaching the predetermined conclusion, to deny the existence of racism.

          • lspanker

            So then, you just make all that up

            Made up what? You mean like you made up the idea that the crew was racist?

          • lspanker

            In other words, I know you are not arguing in good faith.

            You’re so caught up in your PC silliness that you have no idea what you’re talking about.

            You are claiming to be an expert in the area

            I’m certainly an “expert” compared to you. Ever been an aircrew member yourself and been through any type of related security training? Better yet, ever been in the position where you were the one who had to make the call to remove an suspicious individual from an aircraft? Ever taken a weapon off of an individual who managed to get one on board? Years ago, I had the unpleasant experience of having to divert attention of an agitated passenger (a psych patient traveling without an escort, because the Navy shrinks didn’t seem to think he would be a problem) so I could grab and search his personal effects. I removed two large knives from his carry-on luggage that managed to get through thanks to the sloppy security procedures in effect at the time @ NAS Roosevelt Roads in Puerto Rico. I don’t claim to be an expert, but I do know SOMETHING about air travel security, and have some personal experience in this area, which is why I chose to comment. OTOH, YOU KNOW NOTHING except for the one-sided story peddled by some college student with an axe to grind. Get over it, learn how to come up with an intelligent argument instead of screaming “RACISM” any time you don’t understand how the real world works…

          • FakeGuest

            He is not denying the existences of racism. Stop with the hyperbole.

          • lspanker

            That’s the only way the fool can win an argument.

          • caap02

            I have spent A LOT of time in airplanes, as a passenger. And I TOTALLY believe that you were a steward or stewardess with that “I have the power to make your travel experience either reasonably tolerable or completely miserable” attitude. I suppose that we should be grateful that you retired (or were fired or whatever). It’s flight attendants like you that make me think that if, after I retire, I never see another airport, that will be just fine.

          • lspanker

            I have spent A LOT of time in airplanes, as a passenger. And I TOTALLY
            believe that you were a steward or stewardess with that “I have the
            power to make your travel experience either reasonably tolerable or
            completely miserable” attitude.

            Nope, I was actually a loadmaster on USAF Lockheed C-141B cargo jets. We hauled military passengers on occasions, so one of us would babysit them to make sure they knew were the latrines/coffee brewer were and to keep them from wandering around lost in the cargo compartment. I personally had no interest in lording over pax, or even dealing with them. I simply know how the chain of command works, and have learned how to keep out of trouble, and even get what I want without getting anyone PO’d at me.

          • georgedonin

            Chain of command indeed. I can just imagine what your advice would have been to Franklin, Jefferson, Hancock, Adams and the rest in 1775. Hey guys, would you just follow the chain of command here, we don’t want to PO the British, let’s not be stupid, let’s keep out of trouble, we can get what we want if we just keep our heads down and cooperate with the authorities. Then later: See, that uppity, self-appointed activist Nathan Hale had it coming to him, he’d still be alive if he’d just stayed out of trouble, don’t believe this stuff about unfair governance, he was executed because he didn’t know how to keep his head down.

            Yes, lspanker, it is abundantly clear which side you would have been on.

          • kofybean

            The student just came from a dinner with the Secretary General of the U.N, so no, it is more plausible that he was very diplomatic. I don’t see you factoring that in with your bias tale.

          • lspanker

            The student just came from a dinner with the Secretary General of the U.N

            So what?

            it it more plausible that he was very diplomatic.

            Sounds more like he had an axe to grind.

          • kofybean

            You are pulling that out of your ***, right after you preach about “not knowing facts,” and your “so what?” Response is proof of your bias as your aren’t factoring any real evidence in your “plausibility”.

          • lspanker

            Keep screaming “racism” if you can’t win the argument, it’s only making you look silly.

          • JMP

            Yes, but what’s important is that the brave defenders of racism like lspanker here have to always twist the facts of any incident involving racism to lie and deny that there was anything racist about it, no matter how obvious.

          • lspanker

            Yes, but what’s important is that the brave defenders of racism like lspanker here

            Nobody’s “defending racism” here. I’m merely questioning this article because it sounds rather one-sided and suggests that we’re not being told the whole story. Now, if you’re one of those types of people who swears America is chock full of white racists and are ready to jump up and down and shout “A-HAAAA!” any time someone comes up with such a story, be my guest. You’re probably convinced that KKK members with whips are running around on college campuses as well, and that the Duke Lacrosse members really did rape Crystal Mangum after all. You’re simply a doctrinaire extreme left-winger, one who sees only what he wants to see to support his pre-conceived notions about how the real world works…

          • JMP

            Yes, you are defending racism, you are one of those people who sees a story about racism and immediately jumps and say “how dare you say there is racism here!” America has a lot of white racists, of course it does, many of whom spend their time acting just like you, attacking anyone who points out the existence of racism. Even as Donald Trump still leads to GOP primaries. And yep, of course a quick look at this one’s comment history shows that they are in fact a big time racist, who hates black people, Latinos and immigrants as well as Muslims.

            But hey, you are a champion of projection here, accusing rational people of only seeing what we want to see because we do in fact acknowledge how the real world works.

          • lspanker

            Yes, you are defending racism

            Being skeptical of claims of racism, especially since many such claims made by college students these days turn out to either be hoaxes or completely unfounded, has NOTHING to do with being racist. It’s about common sense and not being swept up in every moral panic that gets played out online or in hard print.

          • JMP

            Actually, it’s very very easy to avoid “claims” of racism. You know how? Just try not doing or saying anything racist. Try it! Then no one will ever call you racist. It is very simple!

            We know, whenever there is a racist incident, bigots like to jump on the discussion and claim that there was no racism there, that it’s a “hoax” or “unfounded” as you say. And yet, every single freaking time, there is in fact very real racism at the heart of it. I cannot think of any example of racism that has turned out to be unfounded – except when it’s whiny white people making BS claims of “reverse racism”.,

            Every time, the racism is real. And all the bigots who claim it’s not real are lying, every time.

          • kofybean

            Southwest Airlines employees singled a man out on the plane because the woman sitting near him was affraid of him.

            Just how big of a skeptic are you?

            Your default stance is that her reason for being affraid was justified as was the reason for his expulsion. The FBI found no reason to detain him, so what caused him to be profiled out of the entire set of passengers on the plane?

          • JMP

            It’s a disservice to actual skepticism for idiots like this to call themselves “skeptics” as well; as with the creationists or the idiots who claim climate change isn’t happening, denying actual proved facts is not skepticism at all, but denialism.

          • lspanker

            How about if you actually READ my posts in their entirety, and THINK about what I’m saying, instead of having some knee-jerk reaction? NOBODY called the FBI because he “spoke Arabic”, or because some racist/bigoted passenger was afraid of a passenger. The aircrew called the FBI because the individuals projected attitude and demeanor when he was interviewed on the plane caused them legitimate concern. You clearly don’t know anything about how aircrews profile potential risks on passenger flights, and the equally ignorant SJW types who are filling your head full of nonsense don’t know either.

          • kofybean

            Answer the question or stew in your bias filled rant.
            Fact. FBI did not find any reason to detain him further.
            Fact. He was removed off the plane by SW Airline employees.

            How, out of 100+ people on the airplane, did SW Airlines single him out without profiling him based on language, race, or religious affiliation?

            Fiction: that your 800k airline miles contribute any evidence to what happened.

          • Observe_Wonder

            there is no point on trying to explain to whoever does not want to hear or analyze. the point here is that we should not “swallow” all the information or lack of information posted in the media. we tend to take sides, according to how things are presented to the public, producing biased responses on each side. In true life, many times I have witnessed situations where the actual person creating the situation, seem like the victim because the people arrived when the person provoked was responding to the action. that is, reacting to an action that was not witnessed. that has also made me a bit wary of judging without having a complete picture as the roles may actually be the opposite of what they seem. I will still be sckeptical of the whole thing as I usually am with the news (try to find several sources, many are just copy paste from one source). As many other articles have proven to show how poorly written and researched articles project a totally different scene from what later on was proved to actually have happened.

          • lspanker

            Southwest Airlines employees singled a man out on the plane because the woman sitting near him was affraid of him.

            And the crew was obligated to check him out, and in the process, said individual started making threatening remarks. Sounds like the lady may have just made a good call.

          • Bond Summers

            It’s the apparent application of racial profiling, as support to the major circumstances of what is prompting the suspicion, which is not race for the most part. Racial profiling is only much smaller supporting factor of suspicion. Racism is putting value on people as to their desirability, in a different sense than what we’re considering here.

          • lspanker

            Understood, it’s just that certain people are deliberately distorting the discussion here because turning it into a racial issues advances their own agendas.

          • Bond Summers

            It’s not racism. It’s what the passenger said, before the scheduled take off. That he was Arabic, added to the suspicion of what he was understood to have said by the lady.

          • JMP

            “It’s not racism” – from someone who posts at Breitbart, one of the most notoriously racist sites on the internet. And who is a giant racist himself, having actually said “racial profiling is valid” in this very thread.

          • georgedonin

            I don’t think you’re defending racism but even assuming that what really got this kid kicked off the plane was that he allowed a bit of exasperation to leak out about the ridiculousness of being called out for speaking Arabic out loud (on the plane for Allah’s sake :-), and perhaps he showed a hint of exasperation when he realized he was about to be pulled off a plane and have his entire day f$&@ed up because some idiot in the row behind him got creeped out because she thought some terrorist would be stupid enough to speak Arabic out loud on the plane just before takeoff — and I suspect that even you, experienced air traveler that you are, if you were to find yourself called out and your day about to be f$&@ed up for some similarly goofy reason would you exercise perfect restraint, would you catch yourself before making the slightest bit of an eye roll and an unhappy facial expression.. and the power tripping flight crew would see that and come down on you for it like a ton of bricks… There I made all that up too. I agree that’s probably what happened and the flight crew should never have let it get to that, they are responsible for de-escalating stupid sh$t like this before it gets out of hand.

          • lspanker

            I don’t think you’re defending racism but even assuming that what really got this kid kicked off the plane was that he allowed a bit of exasperation to leak out about the ridiculousness of being called out for speaking Arabic out loud

            JFC, for the umpteenth time, he didn’t get kicked off the plane for speaking Arabic, regardless of what he says. If that were the case, half of the passengers flying to DTW would never even make it there. In all likelihood, his behavior when he was interviewed by a flight crew member resulted in the decision to remove him from the flight. You may not care to believe this, but unlike most of those feigning indignation, I actually have some insight due to the fact I WAS an aircrew member myself many years ago. It’s quite pathetic that self-proclaimed activists and SJWs on a college campus somewhere claim to know what happened on an airplane when most of them have little or no experience on how air travel works…

          • georgedonin

            JFC, read what I actually wrote, I was *agreeing*with you — it does seem likely that what happened is that the young man got a bit annoyed when confronted with the absurdity of having the flight attendants called over to question him, all because some foolish individual in the row behind him figured that a wannabe terrorist would blow his own cover (!) by speaking Arabic even before the plane took off. Just like you would have gotten annoyed and exclaimed, “JFC!” if someone in the seat behind yours had, for example, overheard you say something on your cellphone that they mistook for a possible terrorist threat, at which point they would have responded to your little involuntary gesture of annoyance and asked you to step off the plane where further hilarity would ensue. JFC.

          • lspanker

            the young man got a bit annoyed when confronted with the absurdity of having the flight attendants called over to question him, all because some foolish individual in the row behind him figured that a wannabe terrorist

            I have been equally annoyed when got the same treatment from a flight attendant AND the first officer (co-pilot) on an ATL-PVD Delta flight after I told the high-school kids behind me I didn’t appreciate being hit in the back of the head with one of their discarded chip bags rolled up into a ball. The difference is that I knew better than to get in an argument with the crewmembers – I merely stated the reason for my annoyance and apologized for my sarcastic remarks to the perps. Personally, I didn’t feel I was doing anything wrong (and in fact, one lady after the flight told me I was perfectly justified in dressing down the kid) but I know how things roll, and that arguing with the crew and possibly delaying departure from the gate wasn’t going to win me any points with the crew OR passengers. It’s all about judgement and maturity, something most of these self-appointed activists are sorely lacking in their dealings with others.

          • caap02

            Ah! Of course! He should have apologized for speaking Arabic!

          • lspanker

            Where did I make such a claim? Please point that out – I’m tired of people like you putting words in my mouth…

        • Jenandjoan Jonsson

          I use that word myself and I only know a few words of Arabic. It’seems a very useful word.

        • Lordwhorfin

          Or rather that your tiny, bigoted mind can handle.

          • lspanker

            Come back when you can deal with facts and logic.

      • HoldingTheOpposites

        I was in the aisle seat, in the same row as her. Khairuldeen was sitting directly behind me. That IS the word she thought she heard. She also thought she heard some other inflammatory things. Obviously, she was sorely mistaken.

        • viking116

          How can you say she was sorely mistaken if YOU didn’t hear it? It’s just her word against his: a draw.

    • Tom

      Shahid is also a common last name in India and Pakistan.

    • oblivion328

      I wouldn’t be surprised if she didn’t even say she heard that. It mighy just be a lie they used to justify how they treated him.

      • HoldingTheOpposites

        I was sitting next to the woman – she asked me what to do, after she thought she heard him saying much more inflammatory things that the article stated. She was genuinely freaked and said she was confident about what she heard. Although she holds the responsibility of letting her fear cloud her judgement, I believe the airport/airline protocol is tragedy, here. Yes, I told her she ought to calmly let the attendant know what she (thought she) heard, and let them decide what to do. No, I don’t like how the officials handled it, from there. Super sad situation.

        • lspanker

          Normally the flight crew will talk to the individual, let that individual remain on the place if the person acts compliant and cooperative, and does not appear to be any type of safety or security problem – 99%+ of all such discussions end right there. If the aircrew called the FBI, it wasn’t because of what some woman said, but it was because he did something to prompt the crew to do such. P!issing off the FA would be one motivation for doing such. But let me ask you this much: what would YOU do if you were a crewmember and confronted with someone who appeared argumentative or perhaps disturbed? I am a former USAF crewmember with 2600+ hours on military cargo aircraft, and one occasion I DID ask the aircraft commander to send a “welcome party” that gave the recipient a far worse reception than this guy received, when I suspected the guy was unbalanced (turned out he managed to get a couple of knives in his carry-on luggage through security). The SJW types here are willing to crucify the airline for alleged “racist” behavior without ANY type of perspective/insight on the aircrew’s motivations.

          • JMP

            “The SJW types”

            You know, it’s easy to tell the bigots when they keep giving themselves away by using BS non-words that only bigots use. But yeah, the behavior was super racist, as is obviously anyone defending it.

          • lspanker

            So everyone who uses the term SJW is a racist and/or bigot? You poor, confused lefty…

          • JMP

            Considering that it’s a term that comes from the MRA misogynist hate movement, and is used by bigots as an insult to anyone who is against bigotry, yeah anyone who uses that term is a bigot; most often a woman-hating bigot, but the racists have picked it up as well.

          • lspanker

            Considering that it’s a term that comes from the MRA misogynist hate movement

            Yep, you’re a bug-eyed lefty, alright – anything you disagree with is obviously “hatred”.

          • JMP

            Yeah, no, we’re talking about what are explicitly anti-woman hate groups.

          • lspanker

            I can’t think of any “anti-woman hate groups” offhand other than perhaps certain Muslim sects…

          • Lordwhorfin

            That’s deep. Please share more of your insights on MRA politics.

          • lspanker

            Never heard the term MRA before, so I have no comment.

          • 1776

            Best burn I’ve read on the internet in a while

          • Lordwhorfin

            Feel free to FOAD.

          • Lordwhorfin

            Just go on spanking, son.

          • Bond Summers

            Some racial profiling is valid. There was the combination of the man speaking arabic, the woman understanding that he mentioned ‘martyr’ and ‘god willing’ within his conversation on the phone, soon before the scheduled departure. Who knows what else he said that she may have understood, even if imperfectly. Hindsight knows better than foresight. Better safe than sorry.

          • lspanker

            That may or may not be a valid point (I’m sure you will get some flak over it), but I submit that the reason Makhzoomi was removed from the flight was NOT merely because he said something in Arabic, or because some other passenger rightly or wrongly articulated suspicion or concern. It sound simply like he got in a p!ssing contest with one or more members of the flight crew when they went to have a talk with him, something you simply don’t do if you want to make it to your intended destination in a timely manner.

          • Lordwhorfin

            Do please lock yourself in your man-sized safe and don’t come out again.

          • lspanker

            Do please lock yourself in your man-sized safe and don’t come out again.

            I see you couldn’t refute a singly one of my points. But then again, that’s typical for your type, isn’t it?

        • Steve

          Sounds plausible, random internet guy!

        • MelissaDuffy

          The news story says he was speaking in Arabic, not English. Did the woman next to know and understand Arabic speech ? You mentioned she thought he was saying more inflammatory things. Did these things involve imminent threat to passengers or indicate he was able to commit an act of violence? Was he expressing anger about anti-Muslim sentiment or mistreatment? What else did she think he said? You say that you don’t like how the officials handled it. As a fellow passenger, what do you think would have been a reasonable handling of the situation? Now that you know what you know would you still have encouraged her to talk to the attendant or would you do anything differently?

          • HoldingTheOpposites

            She speaks Hindi which has the same parent as Arabic (Urdu) – she’s from Tamil, India. That’s why she only picked up part of what he said. She was very confident in what she heard, though. She said he was talking about being a martyr (addressed in this article) as well as something about, “these americans learning a lesson”. I didn’t question her about what else he said. She was genuinely freaked out and was also genuinely concerned about getting the guy into trouble if she was wrong.

            The man that escorted him off spoke both Hindi and Arabic. He questioned the woman and Khairuldeen (separately, of course). When the woman came back to her seat, she told me that an official confirmed that he did say what she thought he said. Since I wasn’t out on the jetway when she was allegedly told his, that was just her word, but that is what she told me (and I’m inclined to believe her).

            I’m going to backpedal on not liking how the officials handled it. When I first read the article, I went to sympathy for Khairuldeen…and I still do have sympathy for him. It sucks. But, other than the way it’s painted in this article – which has some facts that I know are slightly off (eg. she didn’t look at him after he hung up the phone. She looked at him and then he immediately hung up the phone. She also didn’t stare at him. It was more of glance. I don’t think those are semantics in this situation) – I can’t say how I would have wanted the officials to handle it differently. They were quietly respectful when they asked Khairuldeen to deplane and Khairuldeen was quietly respectful about complying. What happened after that ???.

            If I had it to do again, I would give her the same advice – “If you are that scared, and that confident about what you heard, go up and tell the attendant. Let them make the call.”

          • Janet Jonas

            Yes, because there are no bigoted people in India, except for all of the Hindus and Muslims killing each other over Pakistan, oops.

          • HoldingTheOpposites

            No, mam. Question from MelissaDuffy- “Did the woman next to know and understand Arabic speech” My answer- “She speaks Hindi which has the same parent as Arabic (Urdu) – she’s from Tamil, India”. It was germane. If we can have a discussion about this without sarcasm or ad hominem attacks, maybe we’d be better off…here and everywhere.

          • lspanker

            If we can have a discussion about this without sarcasm or ad hominem attacks

            You mean like calling people “racists” or “bigots” because they dared question a “news article” involving some type of dispute or confrontation when they were only supplied with one side of the story? You know, not all of us bite when some ignorant, ill-informed, hysterical liberal starts screaming garbage like “the KKK has been spotted on campus and they are carrying whips” or “Duke Lacrosse players are rapists”. We would actually like to know the FACTS first.

          • caap02

            Well, your answer is dead wrong. Hindi and Arabic are not related languages and are not mutually intelligible.

          • Janet Jonas

            The point is that she probably was not some sort of neutral concerned observer with no bias of her own.

          • caap02

            You say “She speaks Hindi which has the same parent as Arabic (Urdu)”!!*??!! No, Hindi does NOT have the same “parent” as Arabic. And no, Urdu is not a “parent” of Arabic. Hindi is an Indo-European language. Arabic is a Semitic language. Arabic and Hindi are about as mutually intelligible as Norwegian and Hebrew. So unless this Tamil lady (whose native language is probably Tamil) actually understands Arabic you were sitting next to a paranoid wing nut.

          • MelissaDuffy

            Since she spoke HIndi and since Hindi and Arabic are both from Urdu it does sound like she did understand enough to have valid concerns. Sound like she clearly recognized the words ‘martyr’ and ‘these Americans learning a lesson.’

            Since she is East Indian he probably recognized that she likely would be able to at least partially understand his conversation. It is odd that he would hang up the phone after her glancing at him as well.

            Given the history of terrorist attacks on planes, it is simply common sense and should be automatic, standard safety procedure to remove anyone immediately who is on a plane while speaking of ‘martyrdom’ and ‘Americans’ learning a lesson.’

            You are correct that unless we had access to the transcipts of the questioning we can’t know whether Khairuldeen confirmed or denied that he said these things and under what context they were said. (If what she thought he said was accurate, deplaning him was exactly correct procedure.) He did say that he was referring to a talk on the Islamic State from the day before while speaking to his uncle.

            Since he was not arrested, evidently whatever he did say wasn’t viewed as an actual legitimate threat or he wouldn’t have been released.

            Since you were an eye witness and could see that she was genuinely afraid because of his comments it does seem sensible what you recommended. I’m glad that the officials were respectful and calm.

        • Lordwhorfin

          yes, you special snowflake, sure you were there.

          • HoldingTheOpposites

            I can imagine your skepticism. It was definitely the most sensational thing that I’ve been that close to. I posted my experience to FB on Monday 4/11 – not knowing what happened to the guy – and several days later a friend shared this article, on that same thread. The article doesn’t mention it, but the woman who heard him talking is from India, from the Tamil region. She’s also a doctor. If that comes out later, you can say to yourself, “Hmmm…maybe I ought to consider what I actually know before bestowing someone with special snowflake status” (worse statuses, there certainly are). Peace

        • Dee Dee

          And I was at the crucifixion

        • rosijoni

          So, if I’m sitting next to a French-speaking passenger on a flight, I also would not understood one word being spoken. Does that mean I can’t trust her/him? After all, we know terrorism is alive and well in Europe, and they’re not all Muslims, either. Furthermore, mr. “HoldingTheOpposites” I do not believe you were next to this woman or on that flight. You just wanted to weigh in. Unfortunately your story has too many holes in it to be plausible.

          • HoldingTheOpposites

            Check out my other responses, monsieur

        • Sylvers

          Well, it turns out the kid was not a terrorist after all. So one can only assume the woman was acting purely on her Islamophobia. All she achieved was to ruin the guy’s day, give him a grudge against strangers where he had none, and further perpetuate the Islamophobic problem.

          It’s not surprising that people like her exist, what is surprising is how much damage unfounded accusations can do if the target of said accusations is a Muslim. Perhaps sad is the word rather.

          • lspanker

            Well, it turns out the kid was not a terrorist after all.

            It did turn out that the kid WAS argumentative, confrontational and used p!ss-poor judgement that caught the attention of another Arabic speaker on the flight. It also turned out that Southwest had an Arabic-speaking passenger service rep who was a party to the interview and concurred with the decision to remove the kid from the airplane. Now, do tell us who was guilty of “Islamophobia” again…

          • Sylvers

            “It did turn out that the kid WAS argumentative, confrontational and used p!ss-poor judgement that caught the attention of another Arabic speaker on the flight.”

            Where are you getting ANY of this? As far as the article goes he said “inshallah”, just that one word. Which I can assure you is NOT a bad word one should be afraid to use in public. Again the article makes no mention of him arguing or being confrontational so I really have no idea where you’re getting your info.

            I can tell though that you have little to no experience with airline staff and less knowledge of how unfair and cruel they can be. Do a quick youtube search, you maybe surprised to find out just how many people have been kicked off of flights for NO plausible reason whatsoever. Sometimes without a refund even. Airlines have infinite and unregulated power over their passengers. Using “security” as a license to treat their customers as poorly and unfairly as they want.

            So yeah.. pretty much Islamophobia.

          • lspanker

            Where are you getting ANY of this?

            He admits to getting into a “complicated political discussion” which most people would take to mean that got into an argument. So what possesses this guy to think that getting into a political argument with a flight crew member (or any other airline employee) is an appropriate thing to do when the crew is trying to meet a schedule and get a plane out of the gates? That may not suggest a terrorist threat, but it certainly suggests someone who disturbed and/or not playing with a full deck, which would give most people reasons for concern.

            Where are you getting ANY of this? As far as the article goes he said “inshallah”, just that one word.

            Other sources report that he used what an Arabic speaking Southwest Airlines employee interpreted as threatening remarks. There’s a reason that many of us were skeptical of this article in the first place, as the Daily Cal has demonstrated numerous times in the past that it’s more interested in peddling particular agendas than conducting itself as a journalistic entity and trying to present both sides of the story. As it turned out, perusing other sources relating to this incident make it quite clear that our suspicions were justified.

            Do a quick youtube search, you maybe surprised to find out just how many people have been kicked off of flights for NO plausible reason whatsoever.

            I have seen plenty of YouTube videos about people being kicked off of airplanes, and I can tell you this much – in 99% of them, the person removed had it coming.

            Airlines have infinite and unregulated power over their passengers.

            BS. They DO have certain power and authority over passengers when on an airplane, which is authorized by the FAA for reasons of safety. Sounds more like you have an issue with authority than any reasonable argument.

            So yeah.. pretty much Islamophobia.

            Pretty much you were going to arrive at that conclusion regarding of the facts.

          • Sylvers

            “He admits to getting into a “complicated political discussion” which most people would take to mean that got into an argument.”

            I quite disagree. This article and all others are vague on details. So we can only assume the missing points. You’re assuming that the guy is dumb enough to actually start an argument about politics and terrorism on a plane of all places. I sincerely doubt that. Try and put yourself in his place. You’re on a plane, someone reported you for supposedly saying words related to terrorism. You are further accused of possibly having a link to terrorism and are being interrogated on that basis. You won’t be feeling cocky and full of yourself, I assure you. You will be scared and you will try to deny all allegations. One thing you certainly won’t do is try to argue or otherwise antagonize authorities. It’s weird that I have to explain this.

            “Other sources report that he used what an Arabic speaking Southwest Airlines employee interpreted as threatening remarks.”

            You say that. And I did read several variations of this article. Some did “suggest” that he may have said something threatening. And yet not one article I’ve read quotes a single word of his supposed threatening speech. Odd, no? Not really, that’s just garbage journalism trying to sensationalize a story they know very little about.

            “I have seen plenty of YouTube videos about people being kicked off of
            airplanes, and I can tell you this much – in 99% of them, the person
            removed had it coming.”

            Agree to disagree. This is really a global phenomenon with airlines, but you’re free to believe what you want.

            “Sounds more like you have an issue with authority than any reasonable argument.”

            Since we don’t see eye to eye on the topic of airline exaggerated authority, it would be pointless to continue discussing that particular topic.

            “Pretty much you were going to arrive at that conclusion regarding of the facts.”

            Indeed? I arrived at that conclusion based on my interpretation of the facts. Not in spite of them. But it is clear to me that you’re looking at this from a very narrow point of view. You believe the man is guilty and so you will hear nothing against it. Not that it’s my business, but that’s a very poor grounds for a constructive discussion. You may want to consider that.

    • Anti-Stupid

      The girl who plays the oldest daughter in Black-ish TV series is called Yara Shakhidi. Man, I hope she has a better time boarding. Southwest would go: “Your name please?… WHAT!? SECURITY!!!”

    • 51Rick

      I do not know Arabic. Ive known the word shahid for well over a decade, simply from attending to the news. The woman need not be an Arabic speaker simply from having MIS heard the word shahid.

      Ahh, we need not speculate on the identity of the woman who reported on the young man. Please see comment of Holding the Opposites, below, who was an eyewitness to the exchange.

  • Brian Carter

    So unfair and ridiculous. Southwest had better issue this guy an apology. He was very calm about the issue and said the “right things” in order to avoid further trouble ( I wouldn’t have blamed him at all for putting up a fuss, I would have if it were me) but he shouldn’t have had to have been humiliated like this in the first place. There is no correlation between speaking a foreign language and being a threat. Jesus. And the woman who reported him? That’s racism in action…

    • diogenes

      Yes, it would certainly be interesting to know more about the finger-lady in this story — otherwise it’s so easy to leap to conclusions, try as we might to resist stereotypes.

    • Robadude32

      He will be able to sue and he should make them pay!!!!

      • Poonam Srivastava

        He said he didn’t want to sue! Imagine that. He doesn’t want money.
        What kind of a person is he?

    • Contrarians

      Actually, there simply is not enough information in this story to draw any legitimate conclusion. You know nothing about the woman who was concerned, her race, her educational background, what she heard. You know nothing about whatever law enforcement,TSA agent, airline employees who made any decisions regarding the course of action implemented. You hardly even know anything about the young man who had this experience. Basically, you’ve been provided with just enough information to be gently prodded into making the ridiculous, uninformed reaction that you did. Well done stooge. That goes for anyone who has drawn any conclusion based on the information provided here. If you find yourself to be one such, there’s a very good likelihood that you are an idiot.

      • ORHS73

        What an idiotic post.

        • Contrarians

          Turns out there is more to the story. Who’s the idiot now, idiot? You people so predictably eat shoe every time on this stuff it’s hilarious. You lose.

          • ORHS73

            Actually, no, there’s nothing more to the story. Who’s the idiot now, idiot? You people so predictably eat shoe every time on this stuff it’s hilarious. You lose.

            Smarter trolls, please.

          • Ann_W

            Actually, it turns out that the person who reported him speaks Arabic, and it was the content of what he said that was the problem. He’s a student activist, trying to start problems so he could make a PR statement and sue the airline once the dust settles, just like clock boy.

          • ORHS73

            Cite please.

            The person who reported him only claimed that he’d referred to jihad. He admitted attending a talk where jihad was mentioned and mentioning it in the phone conversation. There isn’t an atom of evidence that he was trying to start problems so he could sue the airline. The woman and the airline over-reacted. If they are sued, they have it coming.

          • Ann_W

            Here’s the link that mentions the reporting passenger spoke Arabic http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2016/04/southwest-airlines-controversy-latest-incident-to-spark-profiling-concerns.html/ and here’s the link where he tries to make excuses for talking about “if God is willing” while discussing a terrorist group while sitting in an airplane. http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/southwest-airlines-removed-student-from-flight-for-speaking-arabic-he-says-1.11702875 IF it was accidental it was stupidity of the highest order, if it was to make a case for a PR stunt and to sue Southwest, he executed his plan perfectly. If I joke about terrorism, I get kicked off a flight, why would the standard be different for him? Are we really going to say that if a person hears a person talking about jihad and saying God willing in a conversation, they are only motivated by racism and there are no legitimate concerns? Are you one of the neighbors of the San Bernadino jihadi’s who wouldn’t report anything because they might be perceived as bigoted?

          • ORHS73

            I read both of the links you posted in their entirety. There isn’t an atom of evidence that this student was a threat, that he behaved in a stupid manner, that he tried to make any excuses. He didn’t joke about terrorism.

            This was a racist incident, pure and simple. Nothing you posted falsifies that conclusion. Indeed, the links you provide support that conclusion.

            No, there were no legitimate concerns. Zero.

            No, I don’t live in San Bernadino.

            But you are clearly a bigot.

            Smarter (and less bigoted) trolls, please.

          • Ann_W

            I disagree that a man on an airplane talking about ISIS and “if God is willing” on an airplane in Arabic is not a problem, the Arabic speaking woman thought it was a problem, too. But that’s just me. Luckily I don’t live in the Middle East and I have a right to disagree.

          • Sylvers

            Yeah because a REAL terrorist would totally go about talking about terrorism plans on the phone, on a plane, in public, in the middle of a crowd of people with many different ethnicities ensuring that at least one of them has basic Arabic knowledge if not fluent at it. Honestly..

            I mean no disrespect to you personally, but it is clear to me that all your knowledge on terrorists is purely based on watching coyote & the road runner (yup coyote is a terrorist).

            P.S This is perhaps the one and only instance I will ever say something that isn’t inflammatory about terrorists. But they, like many evildoers, are not retarded, just evil. When you treat them like they are mentally disabled, you completely underestimate your enemy. And that’s how they get you.

            “Luckily I don’t live in the Middle East and I have a right to disagree.”
            What does that even mean?

          • Ann_W

            Yep, you’re right, if he was a terrorist he wouldn’t talk about it, but that’s why I said that he was purposely tweaking suspicions to provoke getting thrown off the plane (like when he was rude to the airline employee that came to talk to him). He wanted to be a victim and get a payday against Southwest Airline, just like clock boy did.

            And my comment about disagreeing is that the right to dissent, especially for females is missing in all these countries where terrorism flourishes. At least that’s what Wile E. Coyote says.

          • Sylvers

            Don’t get me wrong I fault the guy for mentioning terrorism in his phone call to his uncle. His intentions were innocent, sure. But given the current political climate, it is very foolish to assume that people who might hear his conversation will not draw any bigoted assumptions. That is exactly what happened here.

            However I do not believe that he was rude to the airline employee. The article says nothing on what he said to the employee, it only mentions the airline’s take on his behavior. Which one has to assume is made up. If you have any length of experience with airline staff, or even keep up with airline related stories you would know how entitled and power crazy most of them are.

            Your latter comment is off point, because in most, or at least (as far as I know) a fair number of middle eastern countries, women have as much right to dissent as men do. Though I will not pretend that they have their full rights. I live in the middle east and I know better. This is an unfortunate cultural drawback that the middle east has not overcome yet.

            You just make it sound like the middle east is this small country where terrorism is manufactured. That’s not how it works.

          • Contrarians

            We had a “real” terrorist who couldn’t even manage the simple task of lighting the bomb in his shoe. So your assertion that somehow all terrorists are evil geniuses is simply stupId, and not true.

          • Sylvers

            I am not saying that terrorists are evil geniuses. But the thing about terrorists is, they almost never act of their own accord. They’re always guided and trained by a bigger organization. And these terrorist organizations are not novices in their field. When they send out an agent to carry out a terrorist attack, they want that attack to succeed. So a lot of training goes into preparing for it. It’s a fact.

            Might you elaborate on that terrorist whom you mentioned?

          • Contrarians

            Google “shoe bomber”

          • Mario

            Just some information, “inshallaah” is excessively used by all practicing Muslims, inshallah.

      • JohnW

        You certainly are an idiot when you also admit you know nothing as well. From what is presented in this article it is clear this young man was not treated appropriately and should have received an apology from the airline. I for one would never fly with this airline or any of its partners for that reason.

      • JMP

        We know quite a bit about the woman who was ‘concerned’ and the airline employees: that they are huge racist idiots.

        • beaminup

          So would it have been okay to have been concerned about the shoe bomber or was that also being racist? Was it a good thing that nobody acted bigoted because of the suspicious behavior of their neighbors in France when more than 120 people died? When exactly do you think it is okay to ‘Do something’? After people are dead?

          • JMP

            My neighbor is a white Christian who often says “praise Jesus” – just like Timothy McVeigh! I guess I should report him to the authorities.

            Being “concerned” because of someone’s race is racist, yeah. And considering that there are more terrorist acts performed in America by Christians than by Muslims, your control trolling is kind of dumb.

          • beaminup

            It had nothing to do with his race. Do you actually believe that Islam is a race? He was speaking Arabic and specifically Arabic Phrases required for his religion. I do not know that it would have been scary but maybe this woman had experience with the language that she knew something that you don’t. You do realize that the San Bernardino shooters were not stopped by a neighbor because that neighbor was afraid of people like you calling them Racist. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3344736/Neighbors-Saudi-husband-wife-San-Bernardino-shooters-noticed-acting-suspiciously-did-NOT-report-fear-racial-profiling.html

            Do some critical thinking with me. Millions of people speak Arabic everyday on planes and somehow this student is the only one that got kicked off… for speaking Arabic? Right… That just doesn’t make any sense at all if you hold a candle to it. But hey, if you want to believe that this student just got kicked off because he was speaking Arabic, more power to you.

          • Justin Peace

            Seems like he said something stupid – Wont be the First time someone did.

          • blackivy

            Millions of people do not speak arabic on planes every day in western countries becasue they are afraid of treatment like this. It is so hilarious that people like you will do anything to make the victim to blame for the fact they were racially profiled and humiliated.

          • beaminup

            Really. Are you Arabic speaking so you know this for a fact? How many flights have you been on with Arabic speaking people? Are you an armchair warrior in the middle of the country? I hear Arabic spoken by families often. Families with kids who board planes will not stop, speaking the language their kids understand for fear that they will be thrown off the plane because people don’t get thrown off planes for speaking Arabic. If they did this would not be the first time we heard of it.

          • beaminup

            Hindsight is always 20-20.

          • Justin Peace

            Where have you been for the Last 15 Years? Ever Notice we are at War – Full Scale War with Terrorists? Wake up Dude.

          • JMP

            That’s a good parody of the idiot paranoid Islamophobic bigots there.

          • beaminup

            phobia according to Mayo Clinic: A phobia is an overwhelming and UNREASONABLE fear of an object or situation that poses LITTLE REAL danger but provokes anxiety and avoidance. (Emphasis mine) http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/phobias/basics/definition/con-20023478

            Let’s investigate shall we. Does islamic terrorism pose a REAL danger or are we all just scared of shadows in the dark?

            Russian Plane bomb on jet from egypt
            http://www.cbsnews.com/news/isis-picture-alleged-bomb-on-russian-plane-blew-up-over-egypt/

            Boston Bombing
            http://abcnews.go.com/US/boston-bombing-day-improbable-story-authorities-found-bombers/story?id=38375726

            World Trade Centers
            https://www.google.com/search?q=World+trade+center+2001&num=100&newwindow=1&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwivqauS_5vMAhVR72MKHa5fBSMQsAQIHA&biw=1920&bih=991

            UK Subway Bombers
            http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-33253598

            Paris Attacks
            http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34818994

            South Sudan Attack
            http://www.voanews.com/content/un-25-died-in-last-month-terror-attack-south-sudan-camp/3219332.html

            Yes, just a few of the more recent attacks. As you can see there is obviously no ‘real’ danger. So you are completely right by definition it is Islamophobia.

            Unfortunately for the public it is sometimes hard to discern who is going to be the next Syed Farook. Your alternative is to just let it happen. Just like the neighbors who did not nothing about the suspicious activity of the San Bernardino shooters because they did not want to be perceived as ‘racist’

          • JMP

            Yes, exactly! Just like the unreasonable ridiculous fear of Muslims based on a paranoia over the negligible danger of terrorism shown by the evil little bigots.

          • lspanker

            Define “negligible”…

          • JMP

            Oh what, don’t you have a dictionary? Sorry I used a big word and your little brain doesn’t understand it.

          • beaminup

            Sorry, were not privy to the JMP dictionary that you obviously use. You have proven multiple times that you do not believe in standard English definitions of words.

          • JMP

            Aw, the racist troll doesn’t know the basic definitions of words, and when someone with a brain points that out responds with “I know you are, but what am I?” How pathetic! I’d feel sorry for the poor ignoramus if he wasn’t such a disgusting evil little bigot.

          • beaminup

            My comment is stuck in review so I will simplify it. In 1400 years 270 million people killed by Islamic Jihadists. Nazis killed 11 million. Black Plague 25 Million.

          • beaminup

            In Comparison the Spanish Inquisition although quite heinous killed about 3,00 to 5,000 people over 350 years. http://www.strangenotions.com/spanish-inquisition/

          • JMP

            But if we apply the same standards you do to “Islamic Jihadists” then we must count every single Christian who has ever killed a person and say it was the result of Christian Crusaders, and say that every Christian in the world is responsible for them. Then the number is a lot higher!

          • Ann_W

            Except polling indicates that terrorism had majority support from Muslim populations of most countries. See the Pew poll among others

          • beaminup

            Please lets do apply the same standards. Jihad started over 1400 years ago, primarily offensive, still being waged today, more than 270 Million people killed and counting. Crusades lasted 300 years, primarily defensive, ended over 800 years ago, 1-3 Million people killed.

            As you want to compare the crusades lets compare the leaders as they should be the cause of Jihad and the Holy Crusades, right?
            Jesus: Love your neighbor as yourself.
            Mohammad: Do not take Kafirs for friends.
            Jesus: Love your enemies and pray for them.
            Mohammad: and, Kill them wherever you find them.

            Even if taken out of context you will not find such an exhortion from the founder of the Christian religion.

          • JMP

            No, you are defining “jihad” to mean “everyone killed by any Muslim ever”, so you are not applying the same standards at all, instead you are spinning ridiculous BS to try and justify your insane racist paranoia.

          • beaminup

            Okay. Just check the site. You are right it is not all Jihad. This data was compiled by an Engineer who combed through the historical documents of battles. He calculated the number to be 270 Million https://www.politicalislam.com/tears-of-jihad/

            I’ll leave the link for people to draw their own conclusions. The fact remains that Jihad has killed far more people than the Crusades ever did. And furthermore Mohammad exhorted his followers to do so. Jesus on the other hand said to love your enemies.

          • JMP

            See, you’re linking to “data” from a site with a rather obvious biased and bigoted anti-Muslim slant, the About page alone shows it to be a hate site, and so the “information” you get from it is completely worthless. Get back to us when you have an actual reputable source for your BS.

          • beaminup

            Does not matter what the slant is. Why don’t you discuss the data. If you can disqualify the data then I will buy your ‘meme’. Otherwise you are using the logical fallacy of ad hominem attacks, and therefore your argument is not valid.

          • beaminup

            Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean that it is slanted. Maybe your opinion has been formed from sites that are dishonest. Ever think of that?

          • JMP

            Please. The “data” coming from a hate site like that is completely worthless. It is made up, it is a lie, the only way to discuss it is to point out that there is no actual data there.

          • beaminup

            You are like a man who beats his wife. And when the truth comes out, you claim it was her fault. She provoked you. Well the data says that Jihad has never stopped. How do you fit that into your little ‘racist’ meme?

          • JMP

            Why would someone make multiple replies to the same comment? Do they not know that there such a thing as the edit button? Do they just want to be extra-annoying in their trolling of decent people? Are they just stupid?

          • beaminup

            My comments were stuck in moderation. Sorry about that.

          • beaminup

            The edit button should not be used to ‘add’ content. Only to fix errors or omissions. People will most likely not see edits anyhow because this sight does not send notifications for them. Unless you are a troll, or just plain obsessed as I sometimes become on topics I have an emotional connection to. As you have commented so much on this three, I think we are alike in that matter ;)

          • beaminup

            Here is a list of Islamic terror attacks for 2015. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2015. If you scroll through it it will take awhile there is almost 1 per day. That is one year alone. Tell me, worldwide how many supposed Christian terrorist attacks were there?

          • JMP

            That comes from the exact same hate site! So the claim of “1 attack per day” is again worthless and useless. Guess what, if I called every single act of violence committed by a Christian a “Christian terror attack” then there would probably be more than one attack per day.

            Now, can you support your bigoted crap with actual data from actual reputable sources?

          • beaminup

            Listen, if someone died, does it matter if Fox reports it or CNN. The person died no matter which news source you use. Ad hominem is a logical Fallacy that will NEVER win an argument. Start addressing the data then we can have a real discussion.

          • beaminup

            If you only consider sources to be true that you agree with. Then you are obviously not interested in truth. I will consider sights that conflict with my opinion but I will not tell you they are wrong simply because I disagree. I will attack the argument, not the messenger. Can’t you do the same? Do you have that skill?

          • JMP

            We’re talking about a completely unreliable source. Look, I actually followed your links – and feel dirty after doing so, that place you linked to was not just untrustworthy, but a completely vile and disgusting hate site, filled with hideous racist venom and slander against Muslims. Nothing from that heap of trash is at all accurate. Yes, that information is wrong, it is lies, and anyone who regularly visits that site is definitely a hideous racist cretin and evil of the worst sort. So no, no one interested in truth would listen to lies from that site, at all.

          • beaminup

            Joseph Smith, Founder of the Mormon Church, prophesied that there were men on the moon. If I reject the lunar landing because I know that their were men on the moon based on religious beliefs. Does that make the reality of the lunar landing and that there were no men on the moon any less real? I know it is a fact because only REAL sources say it is true.

          • beaminup

            Name one. If there was more than one a day. You can surely find a single news source worldwide that can verify your fabricated truth.

          • beaminup

            Like obviously bigoted and biased Islamic sites? Sites who can use taqiyya(lying for the sake of spreading islam) against kafirs? Is that the kind of site you want me to use?

          • JMP

            Like objective reputable sites that are not hate sites. What’s next, linking to Stormfront? We’re not even talking about Fox “News” disreputable here, we’re talking a particularly disgusting hate site.

            But hey, it’s how debating with liars is always impossible, because they don’t care about facts and just make up more lies every time someone punctures their BS.

          • beaminup

            Facts are facts. That is the thing about them. Arguing with you is a waste of time because you do not recognize that truth. As I have illustrated, you can not ever find truth if you only believe sites that agree with your version of truth.

          • beaminup

            The problem for you is that killings are easily verifiable. Especially in this age. Everytime some gets murdered or executed a news story is generated somewhere. So if it is truly BS there will only be one source of the event. If not then your argument is BS.

          • beaminup

            Ask you a question. Is it okay to use a site who doesn’t just put up facts and figures, but openly speaks hatred of Jews as a source?

            The sites I put up said nothing of hate. They numbers are just data. Just as the Russian plane from Egypt that was taken down by Islamic Terrorism was a fact. But people like you will deny it in 100 years.

          • JMP

            Yeah, sorry, but that just made no sense at all, not unless you spend all your time in the evil little world of anti-Muslim hate groups. Here’s a clue, crazy racist person: that interpretation of “taqiyya” is made up by bigots, and being against bigotry against Muslims is not in any way being against Jewish people; in fact, it’s a big part of being against bigotry in all its forms.

          • beaminup

            no, this comes from being educated. I have a degree in computer science. Computers don’t work if you don’t use logic. Unfortunately in the real world people like you can use nonsense arguments that are based on nothing but your own biased beliefs. Too many people believe your kind of drivel without doing their homework.

            Have you ever taken any sort of philosophy or logic course ? Because you’re making some very basic reasoning mistakes that even a beginner course should cover.

          • JMP

            Oh, now it’s the old tactic of the bigots declaring themselves to be logical even though they actually show a complete inability to use logic. And that’s an ironic accusation to make, considering that I majored in philosophy and actually do know how to use it unlike the pathetic little racist here.

          • beaminup

            Oh please. Ad hominem… again…? don’t you have any other fallacies in your book?

          • beaminup

            Nice. I just caught that trick. Majored… as in did not complete? What does that mean you took one course in college? Not that there is anything wrong with that. I am happy that you are/were trying to better yourself. But, you are trying to prop up an argument based on this? You obviously did not pay too much attention to your philosophy courses.

          • JMP

            Oh, now you’re just making up crap about my life, which you know nothing about? No, liar, I completed college as a philosophy major, at one of the top schools in the country, and unlike you actually know what logic actually is. But thanks for playing, racist liar!

            And thanks for proving that you don’t care about reality, but will just make up whatever you feel like!

          • beaminup

            “…you don’t care about reality, but will just make up whatever you feel like!”From a person who will not site a single source, projection much? You have a degree in philosophy and I’m Bullwinkle. There are lots of fakes in this world and I’m calling your bluff.

          • JMP

            Oh, so the liar claims I’m lying about my own life, huh? What a shock. And then attacks me for not citing a source – as if I had to, when it claimed to cite a “source” that was an absolutely disgusting little hate site, one that proved that anyone who thought it had value was one of the lowest pieces of racist scum in existence. It has done a good job proving that nothing it can say is worthwhile, that it is a vile little piece of racist trash. Good job there! But then its “calling my bluff”, as a last-ditch effort to claim victory after the evil and stupid little pissant has dug itself into a hole.

            So angry, the little racist; this is what happens when the scum realize that their world is dying, and that they are completely irrelevant. America is becoming more diverse and tolerant and a better place every day, and us white straight men are no longer being treated as superior just because of are gender and the color of our skin – and the vile little old bigots like this creepoid can’t stand it. And it’s great!

          • beaminup

            I don’t need to lie. Anybody with a brain and basic understanding of reason can see your hate filled vengeful posts and know exactly what you are. Ever heard the phrase, “Your actions are speaking so loudly, that I can barely hear a word your saying.”

            Well your actions are telling everyone that you are a hateful little man.

          • JMP

            Hahahahahahha. Oh my, the little hate-filled racist idiot is really getting unhinged now, and going all in to projection as well.

          • beaminup

            Truce mate, not solving anything here and I would hate to be the fault of a heart attack on your part.

            Can you at least agree to disagree with me.

          • beaminup

            I don’t give a rats butt what race anyone is. why are you so obsessed with that. I am white. I have black friends, white friends, Asian friends, Indian friends, hispanic friends and I am sure I am leaving out a few races, not that it really matters. My wife is Chinese, whom I met while I was living in Korea. I lived in China for more than a year. I take my son to play with his Indian(India) friend he made in preschool all the time. I was saddened when she told me that her neighbors and others didn’t want to play with her son or hang out. I do suspect it is because of racism, and I suspect the neighbors blame the family for the state of the US economy. My ex-girlfriend was a black girl from Kenya. I have never cared about the color of someone’s skin. And frankly if there were more people like me who just don’t care about skin color, then maybe there would be less racism.

            How about you? Can you say the same or do you pretend to be against racism while having no non-white friends?

            Let me reiterate a point I have made earlier. Islam is not a race. It is a religion.

          • lspanker

            I don’t give a rat’s butt what race anyone is. Why are you so obsessed with that?

            It’s the only way some people can win an argument.

          • beaminup

            Only a person oozing with hatred resorts to switching from calling their opponent a person to a thing. Nice try. Just show the world more of what you are. People really aren’t that stupid you know.

            In spite of what you may think, Jesus loves you, and therefore so do I.

            Peace brother.

          • beaminup

            Same tactic used by the KKK and white slave owners. It is easy to treat someone inhumanely when you dehumanize them.

          • ORHS73

            There is no such thing as “Islamic terror.” Terrorism may be committed by Muslims but that doesn’t make the acts Islamic.

          • beaminup

            Yes there is. Are you claiming that people who do suicide bombings are doing it because they are disgruntled employees or they are mad that someone took their parking spot? The motive for ‘Islamic’ Terrorism is that they believe their god told them to kill people. Hence the adjective ‘Islamic’ describing the word ‘terrorism’. The same could be said of any person who kills people in the name of a faith.

          • beaminup

            Previously I wrote “Holy” as they have been called historically, a bit of a misnomer maybe. As you can see, the Crusades are a direct contradiction of Jesus’ teachings. By contrast Jihad is a commandment in Islam.

          • ORHS73

            “Jihad” simply means “struggle.” It doesn’t imply violence.

          • beaminup

            Right. Not buying it. We have 1400 years of history of “Jihad”, the Koran, and Hadiths that show us that is just a story to ease the minds of Kafirs.

          • beaminup

            No we don’t. These are not every single person killed by an Islamic person. These are the numbers killed by Jihad.

          • beaminup

            In the last year there have been 2860 Islamic terrorist attacks in 53 countries Killing 26,136 people. How many Christian ‘terrorist’ attacks happened in that year again? Not a single religion or group can hold a candle to those kind of numbers. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2015

          • JMP

            You know, if you’re going to assert something like that, you might try supporting it with a REPUTABLE source. As it is, it’s pretty clearly untrue; sorry but just because you assert loudly how much you believe that the world is flat doesn’t change the fact that it is round.

          • beaminup

            If you disbelieve it then try searching the news for the incidents. If it truly is unreputable then you will find no new on it. otherwise you are just proving your inability to reason. The burden of proof is on you, so If I were you and trying to prove my point I would start with a google search of some of those incidents and show that there is no record. But you are obviously incapable of ration. Put your money where your mouth is.

          • JMP

            The burden of proof is on the person refuting the crazy claim with no factual support, or even evidence, really? I think you need to learn how burden of proofs work.

          • beaminup

            You are mistaken. “In epistemology, the burden of proof is the obligation on a party in a dispute to provide sufficient warrant for THEIR position.” https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjLou3b-J3MAhUW1WMKHepDChsQFgg5MAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPhilosophic_burden_of_proof&usg=AFQjCNHHNXouWYz4qjsQfWcKAyJQG5k4RA&sig2=3ohX3LLMPejOi5tv9O73rg

            I have shown you a site with data. you have made the assertion that it is invalid. Therefore you have the burden of proof to invalidate it. Not me. It is not up to me to do your homework.

          • JMP

            No, you have not shown me a site with data. You have shown a hate site filled with complete BS. Sorry, but it’s not up to me to do your homework. Come back when you have CREDIBLE data.

          • beaminup

            That is an attack on the messenger. You really don’t know anything about logic, do you? Not valid in a reasoned argument. Ad hominem Fallacy:
            1. appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
            2. marked by or being an attack on an opponent’s character rather than by an answer to the contentions made
            http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem

            As your argument is invalid I will not entertain it. When you can address the issue then I will answer.

          • JMP

            Hey, it’s the misuse of the ad hominem fallacy! It’s something you see all the time from the misogynists, so I’m not surprised to see it from their good buddies the racists!

          • beaminup

            That’s nice. Those of us here in the real world go by the standard definition of words and you are stuck with what, the JMP dictionary? You can’t simply redefine words because you disagree with the meaning.

            Thanks for the laugh.

          • beaminup

            Okay smarty. You have as yet to supply even one source to back up your claim that more Terrorism has been committed by Christians in the last year than Muslims. Not even a Single source? You have no proof of anything and yet you want everybody to take your word for it.

          • JMP

            You have to supply a single credible source to support any one of your ridiculous claims. And you’re even lying about what I said! I’m pointing that that would be the case if we defined every single act of violence ever committed by a Christian as “Christian terrorism”, which is how you are defining “Muslim terrorism”. But hey, you already established yourself as a massive hypocrite as well as a bigot!

          • beaminup

            2nd comment in before I gave any proof of anything, “And considering that there are more terrorist acts performed in America by Christians than by Muslims, your control trolling is kind of dumb.”

            So what is your excuse. Your unsupported claim predates any of the other discussion you are ranting about.

          • lspanker

            Evasion noted…

          • beaminup

            I will even go so far as to concede that the Spanish inquisition, Crusades, and other forms of terror committed by individuals claiming to be Christian were evil and not what God intended. Did they follow Christ’s teaching, not at all. Am I responsible for them, not at all.

            On the other hand, when Muslims kill in the name of Allah are they doing it because they have warped the Koran or is it what their god asks of them to do? Does that mean that Muslims who don’t kill are responsible for what their brothers and sisters in faith do? Not at all. But it does shed light into why the Crusades lasted 300 years and Jihad has never stopped.

          • JMP

            Uh, you do know that Muslim god and the Christian god are the same god, don’t you? Islam grew out of Christianity, and the two religions share most of their theology and are practically the same. And that god doesn’t actually ask their followers to do anything, since gods don’t exist.

            And of course, it would be ridiculous to blame all Christians for the Crusades – just as

            By the way, before you start claiming what the Muslim faith say, maybe you should try asking some actual Muslims about it, instead of just repeating what you’ve been told by your leaders over at Islamophobia Central? Surely you have some Muslim friends you can ask – oh wait, you’re probably such a bigot that you refuse to be friends with Muslims.

          • beaminup

            First, if what I have written that Mohammd said is wrong. Show me. Tell me he didn’t say those things. You can find it in the Hadith and the Koran. No need to go to a website.

            Are Christianity and Islam really the same. Let’s test that with what Jesus says as he predated Muhammad by 600 years.

            First off Jesus warns us to be watchful for false prophets.
            Mark 13:5-6
            5 Jesus answered:
            Watch out and don’t let anyone fool you! 6 Many will come and claim to be me. They will use my name and fool many people. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%2013&version=CEV

            He also tells us we will know who are false prophets by their fruits.
            Matthew 7:15-20
            “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

            https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A15-20&version=NKJV

            So does a sheep blow up planes like the Russian one from Egypt? Does a sheep attack people like at San Bernardino, and Boston, Does a sheep sell young girls into sexual slavery like the yazidis? These are not isolated incidents, they have happened continuously for 1400 years. What kind of fruit is this? I will leave the answer of that question to the observer.

            The Bible teaches us that the fruit of the spirit is.
            Galations 5:22-23
            2 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
            https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%205&version=NIV

            This is a great point. I am glad we had this discussion. It reminds me that I need to walk in the light as Christ did. It reminds me that even though I disagree with you, I am to love you. I will try to keep my discussion in that light. From now I will try to stick to the facts and cut the insults. I am sorry if I have offended you for God loves you as he loves me. But I will still try to point out the errors in logic in a gentle way.

          • ORHS73

            “when Muslims kill in the name of Allah are they doing it because they
            have warped the Koran . . . ?”

            Yes.

          • beaminup

            Really? Then what did Mohammad exhort Muslims to do?

          • ORHS73

            There is nothing “Islamic” about terror. Terrorists may be Muslim, but that doesn’t make their acts “Islamic.”

          • beaminup

            The word ‘Islamic’ is an adjective describing the word terrorism. It gives motive for the act of terrorism. If in fact the motive for the killing is the belief that Islam told you to do it, then it most definitely is ‘Islamic’ terrorism.

          • Contrarians

            Wrong. Check your facts dipshiite. *See Tamerlane

          • ORHS73

            LOL! Great parody!

          • beaminup

            Christians? Really, name one. Name one single Christian who is not a cult leader who does terror in the name of ‘Christ’. Tell me when was the last time you heard a Christian group claim an act of terror in the name of Jesus. Please be specific.

            People like you like to point and say look Christians commit crimes. But this is an extremely naive understanding of the motives driving people to do their crimes. Yes Christians commit crimes, but no, most do not do them in the name of their God. The motive is that they are sinful and fallen imperfect beings. So again, how many Islamic terrorists have committed crimes in the name of their God? How many committed crimes and just happened to be Muslims.

            The later is almost always the case with Christians. They commit crimes and happen to be Christians, or more than likely, not. Jesus taught love your neighbor as yourself. When the leader teaches this. How do you stand up and kill someone in his name?

          • blackivy

            Becasue you asked, here is a list of Christian fundamentalist terrorist groups that commit their crimes in the name of the Christian God :
            http://aattp.org/here-are-8-christian-terrorist-organizations-that-equal-isis/

            Islamic terrorist groups like Christian ones are motivated not by faith but by sinful fallen beings that have been driven to hate. “Christians” that have committed various atrocities around the world for most of recent human history, did so in oder to forcibly spread their faith and establish “Christian” nations in the name of their God (One nation under God). All of the atrocities that were committed during colonization were said to be done in the name of the Christian God even though Jesus himself would not let his disciples strike even a solider that was coming to crucify him. Similarly, Islamic text is no more violent that Christian text. Read some surahs and get back to me). It is sin plain and simple that leads to these atrocities NOT one religion or the other.

          • Contrarians

            Report away Sparky.

        • Ann_W

          And you jump to conclusions without having all the facts

          • JMP

            The obvious conclusion; and now all the facts are in, and gee, it turns out this is exactly what happened – the airline took the poor guy off as soon as the racist lady “reported” him for speaking a scary language.

            And a quick look at this troll’s history shows that they are also a transphobic bigot, who actually tried to tell a trans person that she”has mental health issues”, and thinks that men should be forced to use women’s bathroom and women forced to use men’s just based on what’s on their birth certificate. So gee, a vile little small-minded bigot on two fronts, at least! What a shocker.

        • Ann_W

          Or she was an Arabic speaker who heard him talk about ISIS and say “God willing” to someone on the phone… How politically correct do you have to be to not admit that is a problem in this day and age? The kid set himself up for PR and a big pay day

          • JMP

            Yeah, that’s really a problem – wait, no it isn’t. And the racist lady was nit an Arabic speaker. Oh, and “politically correct” is not an actual thing that exists – it’s just a BS term that bigots use as an insult against those opposed to their bigotry. But hey, keep blaming the victim!

            But hopefully he does get a big payday; he should sue the airline and take them for as much as he can to make up for he awful way they treated him.

          • Ann_W

            Here’s the link to the article that mentions the reporting passenger spoke Arabic http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2016/04/southwest-airlines-controversy-latest-incident-to-spark-profiling-concerns.html/ And if you can’t admit that radical Islamic terrorism using planes has been a problem then you are not worth the time to engage.

      • Lordwhorfin

        Blah blah blah racist says wot

      • NotTelevised

        You’ve been provided with the self-same information. You are worse than a bigot. You’re a willfully ignorant racism apologist. Provided with insufficient data, your conclusion is equally invalid, and is based on your own prejudiced assumption of guilt.

        • beaminup

          I’m sure glad no bigots were around to stop those acting suspiciously in France. I’m glad no bigots were on the flight in Brussels, or that Russian jet from Egypt. Hey, nothing to worry about right? You my friend have your head in the sand. Hindsight is always 20-20.

          • lspanker

            I’m sure glad no bigots were around to stop those acting suspiciously in France. I’m glad no bigots were on the flight in Brussels, or that Russian jet from Egypt. Hey, nothing to worry about right?

            ++++1000

          • NotTelevised

            What other languages will you be reporting? Uzbeki? Klingon? Stay vigilant, my friend, though it is almost certainly a waste of your time.

          • lspanker

            What other languages will you be reporting? Uzbeki? Klingon? Stay vigilant, my friend, though it is almost certainly a waste of your time.

            Have you actually READ any of my comments where I specifically refer to him speaking in Arabic, or are you merely lazy and making assumptions about what other people have said? I have articulated my position on this issue NUMEROUS times, as follows.

            (1) I have never stated that merely speaking Arabic was any reason for having ANYONE kicked off a commercial flight in the US.

            (2) I have never stated that that anyone doing such should be free of escaping punishment.

            (3) What I HAVE stated is that I am extremely skeptical of THIS version of the story, and that this article does not contain any feedback or rebuttal from Southwest Airlines or other parties that would allow readers to get both sides of the story.

            (4) Arabic people get on airplanes all the time in the US, especially in So Cal, Detroit, Toledo and NYC. Knowing what I know of aircrews, and based on my own experience of over three quarters of a million air miles over nearly half a century, I have little or no reason to believe that ANY aircrew would kick someone off merely for speaking Arabic, without any other supporting reason.

            (5) Having aircrew experience myself, I know that there is a protocol to assessing potential safety/security threats, and that one of the procedures used when a potentially problematic passenger is brought to the attention of the flight crew is for one crewmember to interview (i.e. speak with) the passenger in question, to get an idea of his/her physical/mental/psychological condition, to get some background and understand the reason for concern, and see if there is any legitimate basis to substantiate such concerns or not. To do such is not an accusation that said passenger has done anything wrong, but often a required practice to gain some situational awareness as to what’s really going on.

            (6) NOBODY – I repeat NOBODY – just gets kicked off an airplane because another passenger (rightly or wrongly) accuses them of doing something wrong or having ill intent. They WILL get removed, however, if they engage in speech or actions in dealing with the crewmembers that give them concern that there could be a potential problem. Being argumentative, confrontational, or threatening – or excessively nervous, evasive or agitated – will likely persuade the crewmember conducting the interview that there’s a potential problem.

            (7) The Pilot in Command (often referred to as the Aircraft Commander in the military) has BY LAW the final authority AND responsibility to use his/her professional judgement in the protection of the safety and security of the crew, passengers, and aircraft – and 99.9% of the time his union AND his management will back him up. You’re going to have to come up with an awful compelling argument to convince a jury that a senior pilot, college educated with thousands of hours of experience, is some type of overt racist.

            NOW, if you care to discuss this issue further, based on what I have clearly stated above, be my guest – but PLEASE don’t put words in my mouth. It’s quite annoying and insulting, and won’t get a favorable response for me.

          • Shane Park

            I read 5 different articles about this. From the info provided, I can safely conclude this was out of islamophobia. Even after they had enough proof the conclude he wasn’t a terrorist, they continued to further investigate him and made him feel humiliated.

          • lspanker

            You’re truly clueless.

          • bas h

            Change islamophobia for ” guy socialized in Berkeley pink unicorn safezone has no clue of war and terrorism caused by guys shouting allah and acts a convincing jihadist.”‘ In Dutch news, he omits just that here, he says his uncle asks something about ISIS. Why would he say that, unless he answered with ISIS.?
            – Arabs and airplanes, need no explanation. Being stoked about congress, he forgot he send out a wrong message.- and still has no hint of selfreflection- and upset people.

            In Europe things are tense, I’m surprised few reactions acknowledge citizens need to act on less can 100% signs. ( Sitting in an airplane, raised voice, the words ISIS Allah. How thick is he? )San Bernardino happened maybe because an early witness was afraid of the racist label. That’s why shouting down concerned people, even less correct, is cruel/dangerous/ you can always agree to disagree later. Muslims- at least here- have been pampered for decades and now lead all crime statistics. We need them onboard fast, I’ve had it with people racist callers ending up in jail or dead..

            This is no 1950’s round em up, bombs go off and jihadists look like a million other muslims. That’s why some succeed, thought police doesn’t exist. This guy is an idiot still not realising he’s not above suspicion. Victimhood is maybe too comfortable, and bringing the man on his knees to heal butthurt eh pride, that’s sexy!

          • RobertSF

            You don’t say “ISIS” in Arabic. The word is different. Also, “Allah” is about as common in Arabic as “OMG” is in English.

          • lspanker

            His point stands that Europeans are just as hypersensitive about such stuff as, if not more than, Americans right now. The flight crew was merely using good judgement and within its rights AND responsibilities to question Makhzoomi about his speech or actions. His use of Arabic isn’t what got him kicked off the plane – it was how he handled the conversation with the flight crew that got him in trouble.

          • RobertSF

            (6) NOBODY – I repeat NOBODY – just gets kicked off an airplane because another passenger (rightly or wrongly) accuses them of doing something wrong or having ill intent. They WILL get removed, however, if they engage in speech or actions in dealing with the crewmembers that give them concern that there could be a potential problem. Being argumentative, confrontational, or threatening – or excessively nervous, evasive or agitated – will likely persuade the crewmember conducting the interview that there’s a potential problem.

            I know that the captain of the ship is the law of the ship, but see, that’s where this becomes just like with the cops. They approach already with the attitude that you did do something wrong, and they just have to figure out what it is. Their approach has none of the minimum civility we expect in exchanges between strangers, but is instead imperious and authoritarian. And they know exactly how to provoke people into a reaction, whether it’s a black kid in the hood, sick and tired of being stopped three times a week while walking down the street, or an astonished foreigner who can’t believe he’s being pushed around in the Land of the Free for the act of speaking in his own language. They escalate the situation, even though they’re the professionals in charge.

            Ask yourself, how come we don’t see these situations in non-American airlines?

          • lspanker

            I know that the captain of the ship is the law of the ship, but see, that’s where this becomes just like with the cops. They approach already with the attitude that you did do something wrong, and they just have to figure out what it is.

            In case you didn’t know it, there are on average 28,000 commercial airline flights per day that originate from or terminate at US airports, and with those there are various and sundry squabbles, misunderstandings and complaints, as well as the usual gaggle of irate, uncooperative and just clueless travelers requiring the special attention of the flight crew. If 0.1% of flights result in incidents where crewmembers need to speak with a passenger to resolve an issue, that would be about 28 incidents per day, or over 10,000 incidents per year. The vast majority of issues are quickly resolved, and the passenger stays on the flight without further incident. A few hundred per year are either asked to leave the plane or forcibly removed from a flight at the request of the crew. That’s a rather small percentage, so to assume that the crew automatically figures you did something wrong each time they talk to a passenger is just being silly.

            Their approach has none of the minimum civility we expect in exchanges between strangers, but is instead imperious and authoritarian.

            The pilot in command on any aircraft, civil, commercial, or military, is ultimately legally responsible for the safety and welfare of all passengers and crew on board, as well as for the aircraft itself. He or she can be fired, fined, or even imprisoned if found to be criminally negligent. The only way that system can work is if the same pilot has ultimate authority as well (and it’s the pilot who makes the final decision, not any flight attendant). If you can’t deal with it, drive or walk next time,

            Ask yourself, how come we don’t see these situations in non-American airlines?

            They happen, alright, but usually instead of being asked to leave the aircraft and getting a refund, you’re likely to spend the night in jail if you decide to get in a p!ssing contest with a crew and push your luck too far…

          • beaminup

            Uh oh! You used statistics and data rather than some fabricated myth. Real analysis never seems to mean anything to the type who find themselves offended by these kinds of incidents.

          • lspanker

            Of course it doesn’t. When you’re a hard-core lefty liberal, actual data, knowledge or experience means nothing. The only sources of authority to them are people who share the same social and political views.

          • RobertSF

            In case you didn’t know it, there are on average 28,000 commercial airline flights per day that originate from or terminate at US airports

            That’s the same excuse cop apologists use — there are hundreds of thousands of police encounters with civilians, and the police only kill in hundreds of those cases. But the question remains — how come this doesn’t happen in other countries?

            They happen, alright, but usually instead of being asked to leave the aircraft and getting a refund, you’re likely to spend the night in jail if you decide to get in a p!ssing contest with a crew and push your luck too far…

            I’m fairly abreast of international events, and I just don’t read accounts of people in Sweden or Germany being suspected of anything for speaking Arabic. If you have links, post them.

          • lspanker

            I’m fairly abreast of international events, and I just don’t read
            accounts of people in Sweden or Germany being suspected of anything for
            speaking Arabic.

            You’re still peddling nonsense. He wasn’t kicked off the plane for speaking Arabic. The evidence indicates he was looking for a confrontation, and got one.

          • RobertSF

            Ok, I’ll reword it. I just don’t read accounts of people in Sweden or Germany being pulled off planes regardless of reason. If you have links, I’ll click on them.

          • lspanker

            In countries such as Sweden or Germany, where most people are brought up to act responsibly and cooperate with people who are in positions of authority, they don’t assume that flight crews are racists out to harass passengers. If someone gets in an argument and gets kicked off a flight, they figure the individual was being an @sshole, and doesn’t rate the news coverage.

          • Abdul Keddou

            Another PHONY “Islamophobia” claim. The person who reported Makhzoomi
            was also Arabic-speaking and said his comments were threatening:

            http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2016/04/southwest-airlines-provides-new-details-on-college-student-removed-from-plane-after-speaking-arabic.html

            “A Southwest Airlines passenger who overheard a college student’s
            conversation also spoke Arabic and perceived the comments to be
            threatening, according to a new Southwest Airlines statement.

            The new detail sheds light on the removal of 26-year-old Khairuldeen
            Makhzoomi from an Oakland-bound flight earlier this month. His removal
            from Flight 4620 gained national attention over the weekend following a
            story published in The Daily Californian newspaper.”

          • Observe_Wonder

            Well stated! Most of these articles tend to leave out very useful information to form a more or less balanced perspective of what may have happened. the employee interrogating him did speak the language and according to the passenger himself, looked from middle eastern descent. There is definitely more to this. Similar situations like this have been happening and they seem aimed to make people wary of voicing concerns because they will be instantly labeled racists, or islamophobic. We are getting to the point where people can’t disagree or voice concerns without being labeled something. So freedom of speech becomes one sided.
            It has been my experience that there is usually more to a situation than what it seems. When reading the news, we should keep in mind that media is a powerful tool that moves the masses one way or the other according to their own agendas.

          • Justin Peace

            Even people speaking English say stupid things.

          • Ann_W

            Or especially the wonderfully non-bigoted neighbors of the San Bernadino jihadi couple that killed co workers who had thrown them a baby shower.

          • RobertSF

            Speaking Arabic is not “acting suspiciously.”

            And don’t you think real terrorists would be smart enough not to trigger suspicions? They’d either speak English, which many do, or they’d shut up. Besides, who yaks away on the phone like nothing on their way to ram a plane into a building?

            Going into hysterics at the sound of Arabic is just stupid.

          • beaminup

            Oh! I guess you know what was said. Really? You’ve heard one side of the story so now you’re an expert in the situation.

            Example:

            Prosecuting attorney: why did you let him go. He raped a girl.

            Jury: Well, he said he didn’t do it, so we let him go.

            I guess we could probably empty our prisons using your logic. I’m sure none of those guys did those things cause I’m sure most of them said so. What solo you think?

            True speaking English is not a crime either, but yelling fire in a crowded theater? How about a kid driving by and yelling at a family that he is going to cut them up? Without knowing what he said you can not determine if what he said was ‘just speaking Arabic’ or yelling fire in a crowded theater.

          • RobertSF

            Without knowing what he said you can not determine if what he said was ‘just speaking Arabic’ or yelling fire in a crowded theater.

            Traditionally, under the American spirit of justice, you can only accuse people of that which you can determine. I mean, we can’t determine that you’re not a murderer, right? Perhaps you are very, very good at murdering. So let’s suspect you of murder, I mean, because we can’t know, right? You could be a murderer.

            Does that really sound like the American concept of freedom? Does it not sound more like a witch hunt to you?

          • beaminup

            Not talking about a court of law here Robert. We are talking about stopping a potential terrorist attack. The whole being perceived as a racist thing is the very reason the San Bernardino attacks was not stopped by neighbors who observed suspicious behavior.

          • RobertSF

            Again, the act of speaking in a certain language does not give anyone cause for “reasonable suspicion.” If neighbors of the San Bernardino terrorists observed actual suspicious behavior, they should have reported it. But speaking in Arabic is not itself suspicious behavior.

          • lspanker

            Traditionally, under the American spirit of justice, you can only accuse people of that which you can determine.

            There’s a different between being “accused” of something, being “suspected” of something, or just being concerned. Last weekend I was driving down US-395 between Bridgeport and Lone Pine when I noted that the individual in front of me was not only speeding up and slowing down without any explicable reason, but also weaving back and forth in the #2 lane, to the point where the driver was off the shoulder and in the dirt on more than one occasion. Now. could I legally ACCUSE the driver of being DUI/DWI? Absolutely not, BUT… I had plenty of reason to be legitimately concerned, so dialed 911, gave a description, license plate and location of the vehicle, and 8-10 minutes later a CHPer running Code 2 Hi @ 100+ MPH went screaming past me and attempted for 2 miles to get the vehicle to pull over. Suspecting and accusing are two different things – it’s not a crime to suspect someone and contact the proper authorities to investigate it…

          • RobertSF

            Yes, that’s quite right. Authorities can detain you for identification and questioning based on “reasonable suspicion.” But speaking Arabic should not give rise to reasonable suspicion. And let’s not rehash how he must have reacted belligerently to being detained. He may have, but the only thing they had at first was that he was speaking Arabic.

            it’s not a crime to suspect someone and contact the proper authorities to investigate it…

            Definitely not. However, the authorities are not obligated to respond to every report as if it were fact. In the road incident you describe, the CHP caught up with the vehicle and no doubt was able to witness the erratic driving you described. Now imagine you’re settling in at home when there’s a knock of the door. It’s a CHP officer, and he says that “someone” reported that you were driving erratically, and he wants to question you and make you do a field sobriety test. That would be ridiculous because the CHP officer witnessed nothing that would give rise to “reasonable suspicion.”

            As far as we know, some woman who did not speak Arabic reported that she heard the man say “allah” and “shahid.” First, it’s very difficult for someone who is not familiar with a language to pick out words from the stream of speech. I recognize several languages but I can’t pick out individual words unless they’re said alone.

            But even if the man said “allah” and “shahid,” so what? Maybe he was saying the equivalent of, “My God, my brother’s wife is such a martyr! She’s always complaining!” The very idea that a terrorist would be plotting something out loud on a plane is pretty ridiculous.

          • beaminup

            “He may have, but the only thing they had at first was that he was speaking Arabic.” Correction. the only thing HE said they had was that he spoke Arabic.

            Actually the authorities, police, ARE obligated to take every bomb threat seriously. And I would bet that if you actually were to interview the authorities responsible for airport security you would find that you are gravely mistaken about authorities not being obligated to take reports seriously. Why, you ask? Would you personally want to be responsible for blowing off the report that turns out to be an actual bomb? Not to mention the legal liability, if you were told and did nothing.

            “First, it’s very difficult for someone who is not familiar with a language to pick out words from the stream of speech. ” Red herring. The passenger who reported him spoke Arabic.

          • RobertSF

            How did we go from speaking Arabic to bomb threat? And if the passenger who reported him spoke Arabic, why didn’t she say in great detail what he said? So far we hear that she just caught a couple of words.

          • beaminup

            You said, “However, the authorities are not obligated to respond to every report as if it were fact.” Beg to differ. It would seem that every potential attack on a plane legally binds the authorities to investigate. Did you not think somehow that a bomb threat was not being considered?

            Scenario. If an authority assumes the report does not need to be acted upon, exactly whose neck gets to hang if people die because of that lack of response. Security at airports is taken very seriously so I don’t buy your assertion. If there are laws like these for civilians, http://criminal.lawyers.com/criminal-law-basics/reporting-crimes-witnessing-ignoring-falsely-reporting-and-lying.html. Just imagine the legal issues the authorities face under similar circumstances.

          • beaminup

            “How did we go from speaking Arabic to bomb threat?” From http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2016/04/southwest-airlines-provides-new-details-on-college-student-removed-from-plane-after-speaking-arabic.html/ “A Southwest Airlines passenger who overheard a college student’s conversation also spoke Arabic and perceived the comments to be threatening” How do we know what she thought she heard. As we are not the investigating team, is it necessary for us to know the gory details?

            “And if the passenger who reported him spoke Arabic,” Maybe they didn’t say due to policy on responses to this kind of incident. Maybe they didn’t tell details to protect the woman passenger’s privacy, or safety. Could be any number of reasons. But neither you nor I really need to be privy to that discussion. But it is not fair to listen to one side and immediately show outrage. Especially when one considers all the fakers in the world.

          • beaminup

            Once again I think you are confused. We are not talking about a court of law here. We are also not talking about sending someone to jail. We are talking about stopping a potential terrorist attack here. Don’t you get that? If the police are concerned that you might have a bomb strapped to your body they most definitely WILL NOT be reading you your Miranda Rights.

          • Shane Park

            The difference between Paris and the man getting kicked off is that the people in Paris actually probably showed signs of suspicion. If they didn’t, they were smart. This man didn’t show any signs. All he said was “god-willing”, which is a common phrase in Arabic.

          • beaminup

            Hindsight is always 20-20. If you could make a decision based on hindsight bank robberies would always be stopped. Be logical. Whether he was acting suspicious or not, neither you, nor I can ascertain. You are simply stating an unverifiable opinion.

        • Contrarians

          The only thing we can safely conclude, is that you are full of shiiite. We’ve now found out that the passenger who reported this kid was an Arabic speaker herself. Again..we don’t know enough to draw any conclusions. The article has one side of the story. There is no statement from the airline, no statement from law enforcement, and we no nothing about what the female passenger heard beyond what the kid himeself implies. You are really…not a bright person.

          • NotTelevised

            As I said at the time. Not enough information to draw the conclusions being drawn. This is now a later time, with, as you pointed out, more information. That makes me not bright, for pointing out that guilty conclusions based on insufficient info are equal to not guilty conclusions based on the same? Hardly.

          • Shane Park

            She wasn’t an Arabic speaker idiot, she spoke Tamil, which is not even close to Arabic. Tamil is an Indo-European language(Just because the language is primarily spoken in India doesn’t mean it isn’t an indo-European language), and Arabic is a Semitic language.

      • marcus816

        We know she is an idiot. That is abundantly clear.
        PS So are you.

        • Contrarians

          Turns out there is more to the story. Who’s the idiot now, idiot? You people so predictably eat shoe every time on this stuff it’s hilarious. You lose.

          • ORHS73

            Actually, no, there’s nothing more to the story. Who’s the idiot now,
            idiot? You people so predictably eat shoe every time on this stuff it’s
            hilarious. You lose.

            Smarter trolls, please.

        • beaminup

          She was an Arabic speaking person and had perceived threatening language. This is why it is not a good idea to jump to conclusions without knowing the details. http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2016/04/southwest-airlines-provides-new-details-on-college-student-removed-from-plane-after-speaking-arabic.html/

          • borme

            Even if she was fluent in Arabic, she can’t honestly say she got the entire conversation merely from a second of passing by.

          • beaminup

            How do you know it was a second of passing. For all you know she could have heard everything he said from the time he was waiting for the plane till the time she heard the conversation. There is not enough information to discern that.

          • Ann_W

            If he packed in talking about ISIS and saying “if God is willing” she heard enough. Let’s tell her it’s racist to report her concerns, San Bernadino, anyone?

          • borme

            Did I say anyone was racist?

          • Mario

            I can’t say the person who reported him did the wrong thing. In fact, I would say it was very responsible of her. My concern is with the airlines. This could have been handled in a more professional manner. This is a frequent customer of your airline, treat him like it. Explain to him the situation. Apologize for the inconvenience, while informing him of the protocol for instances such as this. Be discrete. Don’t treat him like a terrorist. He’s a consumer.
            After protocol is complete, comp him a business class seat to where he was going. And apologize again.
            I was anticipating problems when I went on a international flight. I would gladly comply with protocol to ensure the safety of others. But I would have been a problem if I was disrespected or treated unfairly. At that point, my flight wouldn’t even be the issue anymore. My rights as a human being would.

      • SJ Herbstbesuch

        There is ample further reporting on this, and one might fairly assume that those who have read this have also read some of the many, many further reports and comments that have appeared, as all are available rapidly via link or simple search.

        So, while it is reasonable to question other readers if all that they know is what appears here, it is not reasonable to create a pedestal of your intellectual superiority by supposing that gaps in this reporting equate to ignorance of other readers.

        To amplify, I would note that your style of analysis and response might reply to my earlier post as a similarly moronic over-reaction. But before writing here—and choosing to write here, over the comment venues following related coverage at the NYT, Washington Post, and Dallas Morning News—I had read all of these further sources. And I still concluded, as I wrote earlier, that there the appearance of the matter is that Southwest responded to xenophobia, and violated the rights of a passenger to free (non-threatening) speech based on employee ignorance. (There was, and remains, Southwest’s formal statement not withstanding, no substantial, independent evidence that Southwest acted on anything more than the flimsiest hearsay—e.g., no evidence anywhere reported to substantiate that the fellow passenger understood the content of the phone conversation in question, or that an Arabic speaking Southwest staff person responded appropriately in assessing the threat once the M. Makhzoomi was asked about the conversation.)

        Hence, in this case (and certainly others, judging by the appearance of news links in other responses here), your prejudice in the direction of inflating your own acumen, and to doubting that of others, comes across as the clearest message in your post.

      • Kathie Ann Solus

        Contrarians you are the idiot!! Your very name is sonomous with a person who takes an opposite or different position or attitude from other people. Your comment is biased, unfair, and ignorant. The story suffices as is. Did you know there is a syndrom associated with contrarians?? Its called “stupid”!!

        • Contrarians

          The heII are you blathering about woman? You can’t spell, or formulate a proper sentence. That should be your first tip off you aren’t equipped for this. There is nothing “biased” “unfair” or “bigoted” about waiting for facts before you flap your gums. A lesson you would do well to learn…m0r0n.

    • 120176A

      Islam is incompatible with Western democracy. End of. Muslims living in or traveling through Western democracies need to be very aware that Western democracies feel threatened by the very presence of an adherent of Islam and behave appropriately: I.e. With great care. If I ever decided to visit Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Qatar, Malaysia or any other Muslim majority country, I would be extremely careful of any display of religion, culture or even race that might remotely offend. As the ancient saying goes ‘when in Rome…..’
      Islam is itself responsible for the fear and opprobrium this religion has generated in Western democracies. It is up to Islam to rehabilitate and change. It is NOT up to Western democracies to be endlessly, naively ‘tolerant’. If that affects individual Muslims in Western democracies: tough.

    • Bule Itu

      He should sue after being treated like that.

  • lspanker

    There are two sides to every story, and those with left-of-center tendencies have a track record of manipulating those stories to fit their own world view. Let’s hear what the flight attendants have to say before believing someone with an axe to grind.

    • Feroz James

      That’s fair. But bottom line he was removed from a plane for speaking Arabic… That’s ridiculous.

      • lspanker

        Again, that’s his claim. Ever consider that he might have engaged in some type of argument or confrontation that led to his removal? Maybe not, but maybe so – that’s why some of us try to find out all the fact before making PC knee-jerk reactions.

        • Feroz James

          I suppose you’re right. But considering how prevalent this sort of thing is/seems to be, it seems easy to take at face value.

          • Snowblind

            Ah, the old “its too good to be false” narrative.

        • Snowblind

          Sure sounds like it did according to the article:
          “The conversation between Makhzoomi and the employee became complicated and political. The employee informed Makhzoomi that he was not allowed to return to the plane.”

          Why would he have a political discussion with the employee?

          • lspanker

            Leads me to believe he didn’t understand that you NEVER argue with a crewmember if you intend to get to your destination in a timely manner.

          • gogrrrl

            Oh, so crewmembers can do what they like and we just have to suck it up, however baseless peoples’ accusations must be? Sorry, but airline crew in my experience are often not the most well-educated people in the world, especially in human rights law – and I do NOT accept that crewmembers’ rights are superior to everyone else’s. Sure they have a job to do and an obligation to protect the safety of all aboard, but NOT to harass and/or perpetuate negative racist steroetypes with NO EVIDENCE other than that of a clearly uninformed fellow passenger. I hope a person seated near you on your next flight reports YOU and has you thrown off the plane – see how it makes you feel. Oh, but I forgot, of course you will bend over and take it, happily.

          • fedupmd

            And you are well educated?

          • lspanker

            Absolutely. Cal Berkeley ’95, professional who often flies more times in a year than most people do in their lifetimes, and haven’t lost my critical thinking skills because somebody with an agenda wants a knee-jerk reaction.

          • lspanker

            Oh, so crewmembers can do what they like and we just have to suck it up

            You don’t fly very often do you? Per FAA regulations, the pilot in command is in charge of the airplane, and has the ultimate authority to remove any individual, either him/herself or through his/her designated representative (i.e. a flight attendant) he deems as necessary for the safety and well-being of the crew and passengers. You do NOT argue with a flight attendant or ANY other member of an aircrew. You either follow their instructions until you reach your destination, or get off the airplane – if you feel the need to make a complaint, you do it to a customer service representative on the ground (and yes, I have made a complaint about a crewmember – just once). Arguing with a crewmember is a recipe for getting your posterior in a whole lot of trouble.

            Sorry, but airline crew in my experience are often not the most well-educated people in the world, especially in human rights law

            Regardless or not, they are in charge while you’re on their plane, like it or not. There are channels to lodge a proper complain – arguing with one on board an aircraft is not one of them.

            Sure they have a job to do and an obligation to protect the safety of all aboard, but NOT to harass and/or perpetuate negative racist steroetypes with NO EVIDENCE other than that of a clearly uninformed fellow passenger.

            Again, you’re assuming that’s the case without any question. Funny how I submit that there JUST might be MORE to this story than what’s being told here, and you’re jumping up and down accusing me of supporting racism and/or bigotry. I’m doing nothing of the sort here, merely wondering aloud of there’s something we’re not being told here.

          • lspanker

            I hope a person seated near you on your next flight reports YOU and has you thrown off the plane

            I HAVE had people “report me” and got the interview on a couple of occasions. Both times I calmly replied to the effect that if I did anything to offend anyone or cause any concern, I apologize and make a point to avoid doing it again. That apparently was a satisfactory reply, as I had no problems after that.

          • dwss5

            Snowblind asked:
            “Why would he have a political discussion with the employee?”

            Among other hot-button possibilities here (remote as they may seem to be for some), I’m still wondering whether he could have somehow been trying to defend the ISIS-inspired attacks+attackers from over the last year or whether he could have somehow attempted to implement Sharia Law on others (e.g., INSISTING that this employee cover her hair if she was a female and a Muslim, or else getting visibly angry should the employee have made any aspersions against the prophet Mohammed) ???

            I heartily AGREE with what lspanker previously wrote: “Maybe not, but maybe so – that’s why some of us try to find out all the facts before making PC knee-jerk reactions.”

          • Kimberly Gastauer

            Are you serious with this comment!?!

          • EmmyG

            Really, you can’t think of any way that politics might come up if he were accused of being a terrorist? Simply trying to explain that his family is Iraqi refugees requires talking about politics.

        • CamNewton

          I think the fact that his fare was refunded is indicative that he did nothing explicitly wrong.

    • The Ender

      Whereas those with right-of-center tendencies have no such track record.

      • lspanker

        I’m not saying that those on the right are perfect by any means, but the left has a habit of assuming the mantle of victimization, and the Daily Cal staff has showed a demonstrable lack of critical thinking and intellectual curiosity when it comes to looking at both sides of the story.

        • Brian Carter

          Southwest did not reply to their request for comment…

          • lspanker

            And?

          • The Ender

            And, you just explained that the reason you doubt this story is that you believe the Daily Cal lacks the “critical thinking and intellectual curiosity” to ask for both sides of the story.

            I’m not saying Brian’s comment necessarily or completely refutes yours, but I’d be real interested to learn why you think it isn’t even relevant.

          • lspanker

            And, you just explained that the reason you doubt this story is that you believe the Daily Cal lacks the “critical thinking and intellectual curiosity” to ask for both sides of the story.

            Because such has been demonstrated on numerous occasions, and even by the admission of the Daly Cal’s own Senior Editorial Board, which admits that it views its mission to advance certain agendas as opposed to exercising any semblance of balanced journalism.

          • The Ender

            I didn’t ask you to justify your claim (i.e. that the Daily Cal “lacks the critical thinking and intellectual curiosity” to ask questions). I asked you why you implied (with your comment “And?”) that Southwest declining to comment (i.e. The Daily Cal asking them to comment) is not relevant to that claim.

            I can help you a bit. Here are some possible answers to the question you were actually asked:
            – Although the article says Southwest declined to comment, you don’t believe that the Daily Cal actually asked them to comment.
            – Although you do believe the Daily Cal asked Southwest to comment, you do not believe this one instance counts against the “numerous occasions” in which it supposedly has not pursued both sides of a story.
            – I misinterpreted your comment “And?” as contesting relevance when in fact you meant something else.
            – You yourself “lack the critical thinking and intellectual curiosity” to respond to this line of questioning.

            Hope that helps! Try reading the whole thing out loud to yourself if you’re still having trouble.

          • Snowblind

            How could they? They are being threatened with a lawsuit.

            Severely limits their ability to discuss anything.

          • philman

            The story states clearly that he does not intend to sue them. From whom are they being “threatened with a lawsuit”?

          • Snowblind

            He considered it and decided not to.

            Got news for you: he can change his mind again.

            Specifically if the airline says something that is far more solid than his current claim.

            So they don’t say anything. They are going to catch crap from progressives regardless of what they do or do not say, so why say anything?

          • Whaaaa progressives might be mean to me! Not actually a legal defense. Anyway, neat little circle you and ispanker have: we can’t judge till we have all the facts, and we can’t get all the facts because mean ol’ progressives are stopping Southwest from speaking freely.

          • Snowblind

            Considering how you and your cronies are trying to report and flag so comments you don’t like can’t be seen… yeah.

            Progressives are not progressive.

          • lspanker

            Considering how you and your cronies are trying to report and flag so comments you don’t like can’t be seen… yeah.

            This is an ongoing problem with the Daily Cal – comments get flagged, NOT because they violate the stated T&C, but because they dare present a viewpoint not in concordance with the Politically Correct orthodoxy.

    • Billyjoeray

      Yeah… I’m sorry, I am not interested in hearing a bigot’s reason for being a bigot. What would you say if you were in an Arabic speaking country and you were treated this way for speaking English?

      • lspanker

        Nobody’s being a bigot. We’re just interested in knowing all the facts, given that a significant number of those who claim racism or discrimination often leave out critical pieces of information that would provide a reader “the rest of the story” as Paul Harvey used to say.

        • Billyjoeray

          The lady who reported him was definitely being a bigot. That’s one. The attendants who removed him from the plane and would not let him return because he was speaking Arabic were also being bigots. That’s two. The FBI agents who detained and interrogated him on hearsay, were also being bigots. That’s three separate counts by my reckoning.

          • lspanker

            Again, that’s HIS side of the story. Why do you not have an interest in finding out all the fact, other than the fact that you’re more interested in scoring points to bolster your personal PC credentials than dealing with the truth?

          • Billyjoeray

            Ah yes, the ad hominem attack; making irrelevant claims about my motives because you lack any type of argumentative leg to stand on. Classic misdirection, typical of an internet troll…

            The reason that I am not interested in finding out all of the “facts” is because this type of behavior is inexcusable regardless of their motives. Besides, who’s to say that those “facts” won’t carry the same bias? The only facts that really matter are that he was escorted off the plane for speaking Arabic and was not allowed to return.

            To use a hugely exaggerated analogy to illustrate my point; Would you care about hearing the Nazi’s side of the story for the holocaust? Not that I am saying this are equivalent in scale at all, but if something is morally wrong, I have a hard time finding the person committing the wrong doing’s side of the story relevant or compelling.

            I get the feeling that we’re just NOT going to agree on this, so this will be my last post about it Mr. Troll. Have a good life.

          • Snowblind

            You really don’t understand Ad Hominem.
            Calling people bigots and trolls , now THAT is an Ad Hominem attack.

          • Andrew E. Neisess

            Ispanker was attacking billy joel rays character by saying he wanted to “bolster (his) personal PC credentials…” Not exactly name calling but an ad hominem. BJR was attacking the people listed in the story NOT ispanker. So unless he’s arguing with the lady from the plane, it’s not ad hominem. Case closed.

          • lspanker

            Ispanker was attacking billy joel rays character by saying he wanted to “bolster (his) personal PC credentials…”

            When someone is more interested in having a platform for accusing others of being “bigots” than finding out all the facts, it’s quite clear that said person is more concerned with bolstering his/her PC credentials, no different than the people who want to scold society over “racism” every time some catholic monk in a robe on a college campus gets mistaken for a KKK member

          • Snowblind

            Except that Billy Joel already called Ispanker a Bigot before Ispanker made the comment.

            So it is a viable rebuttal to being called a bigot.

            And now people are trying to down vote and report the comment, rather than the person that called someone a bigot.

            How progressive.

          • Agreed…its not “ad hominem” to call someone a bigot and a troll who, you know, has posted bigoted and trolling statements up and down the comments on this article.

          • Anon

            The funny thing about calling these people bigots is that, to be a bigot in this situation would be a question of fact—facts that you don’t necessarily possess about the people’s motivations. Yet, you hold so strongly that everyone in this situation is bigoted that you are unwilling to entertain any other possibility / viewpoint. Ironically, your rejection of everyone else’s opinion in this conversation thread as to whether the people in the story are bigoted…is well… bigoted.

            Also—hilariously, you have engaged in ad hominem attacks against the people in the story. You state, “The reason that I am not interested in finding out all of the ‘facts’ is because this type of behavior is inexcusable regardless of their motives.” Well, attacking these people “regardless of their motives” would be an ad hominem attack on them—you are disregarding the validity of their ideas based on the actions they take. The fact that the woman who reported this guy is a “bigot” and therefore you don’t want to listen to her reasoning… is well… an ad hominem attack.

            I know you’re trying to be open minded but it doesn’t work when you use that reasoning to shut down counterarguments.

            Typical internet troll.

      • Snowblind

        Happens all the time.

        http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31692914

        American citizens get arrested all the time in Middle Eastern countries for discussing politics, criticizing the government, or discussing religion.

        • lspanker

          And not only in the middle east. Some drunken eejit in Thailand criticized the king a few years back and spent a few months in the Pattaya hoosegow before being sent back to the states.

        • Fred Werner

          Precisely. Aren’t we supposed to live in a free democracy where that stuff DOESN’T happen?!

        • EmmyG

          Your link is to a story about a guy getting in trouble for ranting about a company on Facebook, violating the country’s laws against slandering companies.

          It has nothing to do with being aggressively targeted for speaking English in public.

          It DOES show that the country in question does not have much protection for free speech, though.

    • Andy

      I see your comments on a lot of articles here. You seem to find things to poke at just to create conversation. I have many friends that are Muslim and quite a few speak Arabic. have you ever been on a plane where you hear only English being spoken? the fact that a man was having a conversation in his native language and a paranoid woman let social fear get the best of her and made it a point to single this man out, we should be looking at her fear and how many lives she gets involved with because someone around her is speaking a language she finds fearful. it seems to me that you are the one that is manipulating the story to fit your own “world view”. If you have an issue with this paper and the news it presents, maybe you should find one that suits your world views instead of trolling here and questioning all of their articles. I have seen you comment on quite a few places, so I am not just spouting just because.

      • lspanker

        have you ever been on a plane where you hear only English being spoken?

        I have been on planes plenty of time where almost NO English is spoken, so what’s the point?

        it seems to me that you are the one that is manipulating the story to fit your own “world view”.

        Not manipulating anything. I just happen to realize two fundamental facts:

        #1 – There are always 2 sides to any story, sometimes even more.

        #2 – If you ever talk to 99% of the people who get into trouble, the way they tell it, it’s NEVER their own fault. It’s always the other party that singled them out for no reason at all.

        Now think about that and tell me what I have said that is factually incorrect… :O|

        • Karim Nasser

          Of course it is important to hear both sides of the story. It sounds like the FBI heard it and released the man. This tells us that he was cleared of any wrongdoing, which brings us back to the beginning of the story and the debate about racial profiling. If you don’t think that people or law enforcement agencies don’t racially profile people (Arabs or otherwise) you must be living on another planet. Mexicans get racially profiled, so do Arabs, and so do Asians, and of course African-Americans. The term wasn’t invented to add a paragraph in the dictionary.

      • Snowblind

        Some people are afraid of the word “Trump” written in chalk on the sidewalk and report it to the police as a hate crime, so the standard is being set extremely low.

        • I hope the police arrest said individuals for filing false reports.

          • JMP

            It was Fox “News” that made that false report.

          • Oh? So the students weren’t triggered by simple chalk markings?

      • lspanker

        I see your comments on a lot of articles here. You seem to find things to poke at just to create conversation.

        I don’t “poke fun” at things. I question the PC party line spouted by people who have no demonstrable knowledge or life experience, and accept things at face value because they can not or will not make the effort to apply a little bit of critical thinking when someone makes some questionable claim. My experience with airline crews is while some of them may have their issues, I don’t see signs of racism. Most genuine racists wouldn’t take a job that may require them to fly all over the country (and in some cases, all over the world) and deal with all sorts of people from various races, ethnicities, nationalities and religions. Therefore, I am HIGHLY skeptical when some college student makes some claim that he was kicked off a plane because the crew was “racist”, especially when many college students these days tend to act immature in public and possess a sense of entitlement, as well as a lack of empathy for people just trying to do their job in the real world.

        • Andy

          You have almost 6000 comments on articles here and if you look a the comment I made and your reply, you twisted my words. I said you “Poke” at things, you added “poke fun” there is a difference. Now, let’s look at this person who was taken off the plane. He is respected, on several board for trying to create peace among people and understanding and yet you are making him out to be a trouble making college student. Also, you make the assumption that I have no demonstrable knowledge or life experience who just accept things at face value. How wrong you are about me and most of the people making argument for this student.
          I agree with you that if you must work in the public sector, racism has no room for what you do, but that doesn’t mean it’s not in their fear factor with all the fuss and overblown talk about Muslims. You are aware that being Muslim is a religion and not a nationality right? Second, I never mentioned anyone being racist in my comments. I mentioned that the woman who ran to the staff was paranoid and based on that FEAR, they removed him from the plane. You tell me in his statements where it appeared he was acting immature and possessing a “sense of entitlement” If you read the article again, you will see he cooperated with the airlines, didn’t make it out to be some third world interrogation and when asked why he didn’t sue, he plainly said just wanted an apology. So tell, where in my face value acceptance of a Berkeley University student did I get something wrong?
          This isn’t about being PC, it was about the fear of a woman who “thought” she heard a word and ran screaming to remove the bad man from the plane.

          • lspanker

            He is respected, on several board for trying to create peace among people and understanding and yet you are making him out to be a trouble making college student.

            He got kicked off a Southwest flight, didn’t he? Southwest has a reputation of having some real bozos for passengers, so their flight attendants tend to be well-innoculated and skilled in dealing with such behavior. The last thing they want to do is kick somebody off the place, which means pulling out somebody’s baggage and kissing their on-time departure goodbye, You have to be a real @sshole to get kicked off a Southwest flight.

    • Atahar Malik

      It was racism plain and simple. You will never feel it if you belong to racial majority.

    • Atahar Malik

      What happened here since you know a lot of things?
      Group demands investigation after Maryland woman kicked off flight
      http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-cair-update-20160415-story.html

    • Atahar Malik

      And here?
      Muslim family kicked off United flight still awaits resolution
      http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-muslim-family-united-airlines-met-20160415-story.html

    • Devin

      What happened spanky, noticed everyone in the berkeleyside comment section realized you were an out-of-town troll? You currently have 18 of the 44 comments for this article, give your liberal / bay area hatred a rest and either contribute to a conversation or at the very least combine all of your poor reasoning skills into a single comment so we don’t have to be subjected to your opinion every other comment.

      • lspanker

        Thanks for making it clear you can’t deal with the issue. Come on now, if airlines were just kicking people off of flights for appearing Muslim or speaking Arabic, then this would be a daily occurrence with every Delta, Air France, or Emirates flight into Detroit. Given that it’s not, there’s clearly no systemic racism in place on airlines, something you would realize if you lived in the real world and got on a plane once in a while.

        • thriver7

          Your argument that folks lack more evidence isn’t the problem.
          We get it: You believe that there is more information to be had and til then you will suspend deducing.
          In the meantime you toss out ugly little condescending jabs at everyone else grouping them into silly little categories like “PC” or people who don’t “live in the real world” or who have never flown as much as you.
          What’s up with that? You want all people to be without bias? You are the only one in the world without bias? You’ve already said left leaning people have bias. Have you ever read Breitbart “News”?

          (We already know from your nasty little bites that you just can’t seem to hold back that you do indeed have a pretty strong bias).

    • thriver7

      Huh? Those “left of center” manipulate?
      If you think those are the only people manipulating information then you’ve certainly made your bias clear.

    • Southwest don’t want to talk. Another story in today’s news.. in Baltimore, MD, a Muslim lady (in head covering) just got kicked off Southwest Airlines …. just because the flight attendant did not feel comfortable with her. Still looking for another side of the story.? And once again, Southwest refused to talk about the incident except to say that they follow the rules.

      • Snowblind

        Why would they talk?

        Is there anything they could possibly say that would make you happy?

        More than likely, it would just add fuel to the fire, regardless of what they say.

        First rule of pig wrestling: if you want to stay clean, don’t get in the ring.

      • And the “rules” seem to be that Muslims are ascary.

    • CamNewton

      I think the fact that his fare was refunded by Southwest is indicative that he did nothing explicitly wrong.

      • Snowblind

        This is why they have no comment.

        If they kept his money, you would be complaining about that. So they can’t win either way.

        • CamNewton

          Amazing how in your the 3 sentences of your comment, your logic is already unraveling.

          • Snowblind

            Because I show how you and your ilk put companies on the horns of a false dilemma?

            “When did you stop beating your wife?” type questions.

            Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

            Convenient for you, you can complain either way that the company did the wrong thing.

          • CamNewton

            You accused me of “If they kept his money, you would be complaining about that too” — but I never complained about them refunding his money in the first place. I was using that as an indication that the airline believed they made a mistake (this is typically the reason why businesses refund money).

            If this young man actually did something wrong, such as threatening a fellow passenger’s life, then no one would be saying “let’s hear both sides of the story” i.e. “let’s hear HIS side of the story.” They would automatically blame him.

            But because all the evidence points to a poor white woman getting flustered by hearing a language she doesn’t understand and an airline overreacting, most people (especially white people who can’t understand that discrimination and implicit bias are still alive and well) will automatically side with the non-minority.

            In the past, airlines are not shy about releasing statements stating what the passenger did wrong or policies/laws that were broken. In this case, I mentioned that not only did the airline not release such statement but they also issued a refund, which would be ludicrous if the threat of him associating with terrorists had ANY validity whatsoever. For these reasons, the only logical conclusion is that this kid was unfairly pulled from the flight and harassed. Now, if they kept his money I would complain, because again, the facts of the case all point to him being innocent.

          • Snowblind

            You accused them of wrongdoing based on their refund.

            If they kept the money, they would be at fault as well.

            So how to they avoid making you upset?

            Perhaps now you see why there is no point in discussing things with you, you set up no win situations that are false in nature.

            He did not get on his flight, Southwest refunded his money. That is the right thing do regardless of being at fault or not.

            “poor white woman getting flustered by hearing a language she doesn’t understand”

            More bias. The women (who’s race has not been mentioned to my knowledge) who reported it speaks the language and understood the context.

      • lspanker

        The fact his fare was refunded and they refused to make alternate arrangements for him pretty much indicates Southwest doesn’t want him setting foot in one of their airplanes ever again, which in my experience is not what most airlines do when they sincerely believe they have made a mistake.

  • s randall

    Yes, this is definitely not what America should be.