Maggie Lam’s piece was not well argued but spoke to her truth

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I am submitting a comment in response to the article by Maggie Lam to contribute to the dialogue. The following are my thoughts:

As an Asian woman, I agree with many things that have been said in reaction to this article. Editors of The Daily Californian do have to be more careful about what they approve in the future. Maggie Lam has been unnecessarily explicit in her writing, and it’s not a particularly well-written piece at that either. There are issues with her potentially sexually assaulting the boy she was with. However, I do have to say, that this whole thing has been a huge misunderstanding. All racial generalizations aside, Maggie makes a very real point. Yes, her language was vulgar. Yes, her story made us all uncomfortable. And yes, her example was very poorly chosen. But she does make a very real point.

Looking at the whole article, 80 percent of it was a narration of Maggie’s hook up and she doesn’t make her point until the very end of the article. And even then, it was not very well expressed. At the core of the article, Maggie’s point is that Asian women feel marginalized, which is a completely fair point. Unfortunately, Maggie then decided to put in all that unnecessary stuff in her writing to cloud her central idea. It is impossible for anyone who does not already know what she’s trying to say to understand her point. The main reason why the point is unclear is that it does not follow from her story.

As an Asian woman who grew up in a community of white people, when it came to boys, there was always doubt of whether white boys would like me because I’m different and not white. If you go on any Internet forum, search: “I’m an Asian girl, would a white guy like me?” The forum would almost always tell you: “Yes, of course white boys would like you– don’t think of being Asian as a flaw, think of it as an asset. Being Asian makes you exotic, and of course white boys would be attracted to that.” You might ask, what’s wrong with that answer? Well, what’s wrong with it is that, I, along with a bunch of other Asian girls, was taught and told, from a very young age, that white boys will like me because I am exotic. Not because I am intelligent or kind or independent, but because I’m exotic. Therefore, it has been ingrained in our minds that when white men pursue us, it is because we are exotic. I know this because whenever a white guy has expressed interest in me, I’ve always believed that it was because he thought I was exotic and not because I was worth loving the way I was. And exotic doesn’t seem to be the traditional trait to look for when it comes to seeking long-term partners or serious relationships.

Of course, there are white men who like Asian women because they think we are “exotic.” I’m not saying all of us are afraid that being exotic is our only asset or that we should be or that we are forced to feel this way. There are plenty of Asian women out there who are beautiful and confident and don’t think of themselves any less than a white girl, and I’ve had the pleasure to know a number of them. I wish I could be like them. But this is a very real fear among Asian women, and I am saying that a lot of us do feel this way. A lot of us, beneath it all, believe that if you are a white male, ultimately only a white woman would be good enough for you. To this end, Maggie actually puts it well: We are afraid that our “desirability was only a fleeting moment whereas a white girl was the one worth getting to know, the one worth bringing home to parents.” And what Maggie tried to say was that she felt only her white housemate’s feelings were being considered and not hers. I don’t think in her case it had anything to do with race, so the example doesn’t really apply, but I think that was what she was trying to say. We feel inferior to white women. Of course, we don’t have any real reason to feel inferior, and you might say it’s our own fault for feeling this way, but the truth is that we do feel this way and it’s harmful that we feel this way.

There will be women who objectify themselves before society does in every race, and there will be men who don’t treat women with respect in every race. Just because Maggie may have encountered one such boy and he happened to be white, does not give her the right to generalize all white boys as “f***boys” who objectify women. But her point remains.

Jessie Hwang is a UC Berkeley student.

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  • DoctorZin

    Q: I’m a [physical descriptor] girl, would [physical descriptor] boys like me?
    A: Yes, they would really be attracted to your sincerity, sense of humor, and how you cry at Pixar movies.

    What the heck kind of answer did you expect?

  • chrisredfield31

    > We feel inferior to white women.
    But yet Asian women in Asia do not feel inferior to white women. They KNOW they are superior to white women. Asian women from non-Asian countries will NEVER possess that attitude nor will they ever learn.

  • Muellemar Reimizen

    Hm, and all this time I thought Asian women weren’t attracted to white men, or were only attracted by money and status.

    I guess it shows the traps that await when you make irrational generalizations.

    Perhaps the practice of pitching your expectations of another person to some kind of categorization of them is the nub of the problem here.

    Also, you may want to think about what payoff your categorization of others (in this case “white” men) brings to you: do you use it as an excuse to not make the effort with men you find attractive because you fear rejection? Don’t be embarrassed if that’s the case: as you transition from self-consciousness to self-awareness (i.e. get older), you will get over that. I hope that you then won’t have too many missed opportunities that you regret squandering.

    Bottom line: get over it. If you want to feel people value you for who you are, start by, uhh, hanging out with people who value you for for who you are, and adjust your expectations of those who haven’t taken the time to get to know you. To discover if people value you for who you are, you need to get to know and appreciate *them*. Making that the goal makes life a whole lot simpler, and very much more enjoyable and interesting.

  • Joe

    As a psychiatrist I’ve noticed that when schizophrenia shows up it
    usually disables young women in their early 20’s. I feel for this young
    woman and urge her to seek professional help sooner rather than later.
    There are many wonderful medications that can frequently bring this
    debilitating disease under control. I hope she takes advantage of the
    counseling options at Berkeley; some of the best in the State.

  • TTSSYF

    This is written by a student from UC Berkeley? Redundant and poorly structured writing.

    • habitualjoker

      A freshman, maybe (hopefully).

  • Hunter Holy

    It is time we all admit that diversity isn’t for everyone. If someone like Maggie Lam is so confused about her racial identity in a diverse country, and lashes out wanting other races (in Maggie Lams case, an obsession with “whites”) to conform to her sensitivities, perhaps the real issue is within her own head. Short of seeking psycho-therapy, she should move to an all Asian country far away from white people.

    • chrisredfield31

      Diversity doesn’t work but moving to Asia doesn’t work either. I think Asia should open immigration to Asians abroad wanting to come, I certainly would take that up.

      • Hunter Holy

        Unfortunately, Western Countries are the only ones who believe in suicide. The unhappy immigrants all turn on their adopted countries when they have a bad day. Blame the white man, they teach you. I have actually never heard an asian or black person say a nice thing about “white men.” Not one.

  • Cartago

    A white man could be initially attracted to an Asian woman because she is exotic and after getting to know her, like her for other reasons.

    Actually I think Ms. Lam’s article makes a very different point. It had this angry tone that her feelings of insecurity over race are everyone else’s problem because they come from white patriarchal supremacy, while this one is acknowledging that this insecurity may be self-imposed and unreasonable.

    • chrisredfield31

      “it starts with one thing but turns into another” logic is incorrect. You have to come into the relationship with the right mindset and correct outlook.

    • Hunter Holy

      Here is a mind-blower for you: White Patriarchal Supremacy is the best thing that ever happened to the world. Those who are not white all want to live in its shadow. But instead of saying “thank-you” to the white man for creating so many useful concepts and inventions, the non-whites can only hate us in our own countries, and they will destroy us, guaranteed. It is called “Zimbabwization.” No one, not even Black Africans, want to live in Zimbabwe, but when it was Rhodesia, everyone wanted to live there.

      • You think your helping but your not, please get out the way and let leftists attack SJWs, we’ve hated them ever since they starting calling themselves by our names.

        All of human history isn’t the same as Capitalism, that’s why before capitalism we had feudalism, economic systems are not defined as ‘any autonomous decentralized market activity’.

        O, and their is no systemic nor structural supremacy, merely just workers who are exploited due to lacking ownership over the means of production.

  • Crusader1096

    Not to sound too stereotypical, but will you love me long time?

  • beam

    How is this different than, say, women preferring men who are “talk, dark and handsome”?

    It’s a simple matter of personal preferences. Feeling inferior is not unique to Asian females.

  • Deuce Sevenoff

    “As an Asian woman who grew up in a community of white people, when it came to boys, there was always doubt of whether white boys would like me because I’m different and not white”

    Let me reword this to be less “special.”

    “As a teenager, when it came to the opposite sex, there was always doubt whether they would like me because I’m [insert long list of self-loathing adolescent neuroses here].”

    Wow, how about that Jessie, it turns out you’re not that special, nor a victim of systemic racism, nor is your feeling like an outsider something unique only you get to claim. That should make you happy! After all you spent this whole article deeply worried about how you were afraid you would only be seen as “exotic” for your race, and not as a unique individual with her own life story.

  • Blake Herman

    Boohoo. They’re called “preferences” hon. You prefer your white guys. I prefer my white girls. We don’t bother each other. I don’t bother you and you don’t bother me. We vote Trump and all go home happy.

  • Nunya Beeswax

    Well, perhaps Asian women are marginalized. But the column doesn’t make that point. If all Maggie has is an inchoate sense of being marginalized, then she needs to examine that and see where it’s coming from. Being given a pass by some guy (who’s been sleeping with another girl anyway) is not prima facie evidence of marginalization.

    I wonder whether Maggie would take a white boyfriend home to meet her parents, or for that matter even disclose to her parents that she’s seeing a white guy. Endogamy certainly seems to be the norm in many Asian communities.

  • lspanker

    At the core of the article, Maggie’s point is that Asian women feel marginalized

    How’s that? Maybe they are taking too many PC victimization courses that are planting such silly ideas in their heads?

    • Deuce Sevenoff

      – Author is Asian woman.
      – Author feels marginalized.
      – Conclusion: All Asian women feel marginalized.

      Kids, can we spot the logical fallacy?

      Meanwhile, the real argument is this:

      – Author is adolescent/young adult who feels out of place in life.
      – Most adolescents/young adults are filled with a lot of self-doubt as they grow and learn to find themselves and the place they feel most comfortable in this world.
      – Conclusion: author is normal teenager/young adult.

      But, you know, that’s not victimish enough. So she throws in that she’s Asian. Then complains that she worries people will only see her as being Asian. Conclusion: author reasons like a typical teenager/young adult, as well.

      • tim1776

        Excellent. Many young people have the false impression that lots of other people are living carefree lives. I had similar misconceptions when I was in college (late 1980s). I recently learned that two guys I envied back in college because they seemed to be living perfect lives were both, in reality, miserable in college. One was a closeted homosexual and the other dated a girl (the perfect girl to my 18-year old eyes) that made him miserable and pressured him to party far more than he wanted. Both told me they were miserable during college but are happy now in middle age.

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